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General Premier League Thread 2023-24 Mod Note in op 27/6/23 And 21/05/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,673 ✭✭✭doc_17


    And another thing that needs to be dealt with harshly is that rubbish Arteta was at least year, the huddles in the middle of each half when Ramsdale was faking an injury. That’s absolutely gotta go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,226 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    they need to decide how long for a restart, and start issuing yellow cards 2 mins into a game.

    it's on the ref's for not enforcing their own rules.

    i'd also bring in a rule stating the player closest to the ball has to take a throw in. sick of the full backs strolling over to take a throw



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,013 ✭✭✭djan


    I'm not sure if taking such steps is the right way to go about getting more play time. I'd say have a max amount of time for certain actions but use a ball in play clock of 60min. It's not really feasible to have 90 odd minutes of active play time as don't think the players would hack that on a regular basis.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 7,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    I was actually thinking it on the same lines if I get you correctly.

    A couple of basic examples would be:

    Keepers taking the piss restarting the game: give them an early yellow. If they do it again a final warning. After that second yellow is on.

    Restart on throw ins: you take forever to do it, the throw in goes to the other team.

    Not sure if something can be done about faking injuries. Ref would never be sure if it's fake or not. I like the idea of not allowed back in immediately - I think it was 30 seconds in the community shield, But it could go up to 1 or 2 minutes. A bit more management for the refs, but something that the 4th official could do.

    I believe that simple things like the above could easily add 5-10 minutes to the actual playing time. Not holding my breath that they will happen though...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,752 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    The problem with holding an "injured" player back from entering is will it include Keepers?

    If not the Pickford/Ramsdale/Martinez will become gentle wee flowers that are near fatally wounded if they feel a breeze near them.



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  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm guessing this new 30 seconds rule is an attempt to stop that, but does it apply for keepers?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,673 ✭✭✭doc_17


    The fear that FIFA with a 60 minute clock is that then teams would absolutely stop every chance they get in order to disrupt the flow of the opposition. The Guardian Football Weekly did a podcast about this topic last summer.

    Booking Martinez and Pickford in the 88th minute is useless, as someone else said, it should be done earlier. Warning, booking and another booking. And the first player to pick up or touch a ball after a throw is awarded had to take it. And only allow keepers to have the ball in hand for 10 seconds. And theatrically falling to the ground to waste time should be a yellow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,673 ✭✭✭doc_17


    I see it reported that Nkunku is out until December. Bad blow for Chelsea. Another £50m will be spent soon!



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 7,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    Yeah, good point.

    Very difficult to implement for keepers I guess. You have to start from somewhere though and in field players can be a good start.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,435 ✭✭✭The Big Easy


    I think extending the time added on does help eliminate slow(ing) play.

    You see Pep and Varane's response, the players do not want to be on the pitch for another 10/15 minutes. They're tired, they want to recover, same for managers.

    Forcing them to effectively work longer is a huge disincentive and will result is less time wasting/ slowing the action.

    If you had to work 5 minutes later for every time you opened boards, you might stop opening boards so often 😄



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,869 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Keepers are meant to be only allowed to have the ball in hand for 6 seconds. Elongating it to 10 ain't going to help matters!


    I remember Suarez used to be counting out loudly 1,2,3,4,5,6 and on his fingers when keepers had the ball in their hands. In full eye/ear shot of the referee too. The refs didn't blow back then, even though they should, but it sometimes forced keepers into kicking earlier as they were fearful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,869 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Players / managers complaining is a bit rich now. They are the biggest problem with timewasting. Pep/Varane might not be blatantly at it themselves but I'm sure they have done something of the sort throughout their careers. It's festered into something too big now. Varane is lumping in timewasting alongside players having to play extra games completely and I think that he is not correct to do that. One is a valid concern, and one is just a very rich boy complaining about an extra 10 mins work. They are not really the same.

    It's plain to see the teams / players / managers who employed it the most last year. When teams / individuals like Newcastle / Pope / Pickford / Emery / Arteta conceded late goals / equalizers in added time, they had nobody to blame but themselves. It was great to see. Referees have to start booking and then booking again, not this warning - warning - booking - warning crap.

    I read that the average added time on a PL game last season was 8 mins. No harm if it is 15 mins this year. it will teach the timewasters.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,854 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    Red cards might change it, but extra added time doesn't. Only a small part of time wasting is actually wasting time, it's also about disrupting the flow of the game and frustrating your opponent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,869 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    The Premier League are going to also investigate Chelsea into their financial dealings instead.

    The article mentions using 6 different offshore companies to hide transfer payments (in their millions of £s) for players. The previously mentioned payments to fathers of youth players are also set to be investigated.

    These of course breach FFP rules, which Chelsea have admitted to falsifying accounts for just recently.




  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 58,128 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,108 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Wow, bloody hell - Wolves instant favourites for the drop you'd imagine so. He's what kept them up last year.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,196 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Not sure that the theory/plan to wait until now is ever a good one. Give him a month or two at this stage would have been better surely- unless their Dream Manager just became available.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,952 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    He's walked away because they've sold their midfield and haven't bought anyone.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,196 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    5th currently, 5/2 to be relegated with pp. A few worse than them around, Luton, Sheff Utd, Bournemouth and Forrest below them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,752 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    They've the worst squad by a distance.

    Adama, Costa and Moutinho all walked for nothing, Neves, Collins and Jimenez were all cashed in on.

    Matt Doherty was signed on a free. Full back being probably the only position they weren't at bare bones for.

    They had a thin goal-shy squad as it was and they've weakened it way further.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,952 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    Wouldn't be surprised of someone comes in for Nunes and Neto next.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,108 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    True enough that Luton are probably faves for last place... I'd have no confidence in Wolves now though. At least the likes of Sheff Utd and Burnley are coming up with some confidence and feel-good factor, while similar can probably be said for Bournemouth and Forest staying up last year, whereas this could cause a total downturn in mood around Molineux. Looked such a mess last year before Lopetegui came in and turned them around.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,472 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    So for all the net spend arguments, we don’t actually know exactly how much Chelsea and city have spent over the last few decades. Cheats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Xander10


    I think they will be ok, O'Neill did it on a shoe string budget last season.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,196 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Reckon they will be fine, hovering a couple of places above relegation for most of the year.

    Luton are surely going down and Sheffield United most probably too I think - although they might surprise me.

    At least 1 from Bouremouth/ Forrest is possible.

    Burnley could actually hit the ground running, I'm thinking Burnley will do quite well.

    Everton could well be in trouble this season again.

    There are enough 'poorer' teams around for Wolves to stay up, but not by much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,472 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    What has the world come to when you can't trust an organization run by a Russian Oligarch long linked with criminality, corruption and indeed (alleged) killing of business rivals to play with a straight bat? What's the world coming to?

    Their transfer dealings over the last year appear as crooked as hell too. £100M supposedly transfered out of the club to that model of corporate governance Ukraine, amongst other eyebrow raising deals.

    Nothing to see here.......lots of 'bunnies wandering' around the bridge I'd imagine


    ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,472 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Lopategli going from Wolves... It's a loss boy just to Wolves but to the league, at least temporarily.

    Did a good job there last year, reestablished himself somewhat, the job he's done will get him another big gig in sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,020 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    he knwe the Bournemouth squad, he is now taking over a mainly Portugese squad, that has lost its best players and seams in a complete mess- lose the first 2 games and it will turn nasty at Molineux.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Xander10


    They hammered a Rennes team this weekend, the same Rennes team that hammered west ham the week before.

    It won't take much to stay up with the likes of Luton



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