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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,500 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It's genuinely shocking that the guy that wrote that childish drivel was actually a president of a country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,500 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I've always found it a very strange thing when people declare absolutes about a political situation. Politics is very fluid and can turn on a dime, and within American politics we've seen it twice in the space of a few short years. People were confidant about Hilary Clinton's incoming victory in 2016 and saw that confidence come to naught when Trump won. Likewise Trump fanatics had to eat their own humble pie when he lost to Biden in 2020. Of course the most extremist of Trumptards will swear blind that he didn't lose and, somehow, the democrats pulled off the greatest conspiratorial endeavour in the history of mankind.

    Frankly though, anyone calling shots over a political outcome is opening themselves up to some serious egg on face eventualities and such declarations are, at best, ill advised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,654 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Sigh

    There is no "woke agenda". It's manufactured, culture war nonsense designed to distract that the republican party have nothing but regressive human rights policies, **** all ideas on how to run a country and absolutely nothing to complain about when it comes to this Democratic adminstration.

    People care about jobs, education, health, housing, infrastructure. Integrating "woke" into anything got to do with them is ****ing nonsense!

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,708 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The woke agenda tends to be one of the most vague and unclear things ever. Just gonna list some things that are classified as part of that agenda.

    1. Sex education that is relevant to changing times so teens don't end up endangering themselves or others.

    2. Gender, sometimes people's brains don't match the body they're born into. The reason the right are going after this group is because they've failed with DOMA etc. Next target is trans people plus they get to link it back to gay people when necessary.

    3. History, an honest history of the slave trade. This has resulted in the likes of DiSantis pushing retelling history from the perspective of why Slavery was good for black people.

    4. Disney - This is one of the weirder ones cause it's pretty broad. Putting a warning at the start of a movie to say values have changed and there are racist elements etc. (That's used by most studios and it is grand) Then there's casting. So a black woman getting cast as the little mermaid had people imploding and more recently, Snow White is using a diverse group instead of dwarves. That one is because plenty from that community have objected to the older portrayal. This is not ruining anyone's life by adapting. Casting women in prominent roles get to them too, I'm sure the barbie success hurts.

    5. Books - This is my last one, there's loads more obviously. It slightly links back to number one in some cases. Books that give sex education that is relevant to the times rather than sex education that's specific to straight teens. But it's not just those books. Gay portrayals in general tends to be to be too woke. The right wing response to handling books.... Book bannings in schools across Florida. Only authorised books are allowed and that's a very limited amount of books.

    6. MeToo - actual last one, just popped into head. Discrimination in general is something the right pride themselves on. The issue of consent and educating young people on it is bad according to them but they claim to want to safeguard minors. Then there's how they'll come out in defense of the right kind of people when they commit a sexual assault.



    So the above is the anti woke crap that Trump and DiSantis are pushing. The movies one they can't influence at all but it'll rile up their fans. In summary, much of it relates to the spread of information and how it no longer aligns with their perfect antediluvian vision of the world. But in summary, this anti woke thing is more a refusal to accept a rapidly changing world. One that's improving in most of the above aspects in spite of the effort of the right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,014 ✭✭✭FishOnABike



    If he keeps up his current ranting maybe he will end out his days in a secure mental facility. 😏

    Maybe he's trying to build a case for pleading not guilty on grounds of insanty?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,225 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Most gifted politician of our time and best orator to hold the office in generations. Apparently.

    (Aside from the verbal diarrhea miller was spewing, it's clear how much he hated Obama given how he phrased his comments and what one of the things Obama was most well known for was.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,654 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Ah, back when that racist had his "spray on hair" phase...

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,634 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Never mind the witness tampering. What kind of mindset do you have to be in to support the person who wrote that kind of statement.

    If you're a Trump supporter there is something wrong with your brain. It's like watching a member of the jonestown cult defending him before setting off to live in the Guyana jungle

    It's so obvious to everyone else in the world that he's lying all of the time.

    Post edited by Akrasia on

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,634 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Trump supporters complained about 'trial by media' when there were negative stories written about him in the past. now they're complaining about trial by the courts and insisting that the polls as distorted in the media should cause the charges to be dropped

    I'm flabbergasted

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,014 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    You don't expect Trump supporters to be rational, do you?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,634 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    He is seriously blaming the US women's team being knocked of the the World Cup on Biden

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,194 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,028 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I there was me thinking that Sweden had just outplayed them. But no, with was Biden. That sly dog managed to sneak onto the football pitch and while the camara was pointing away he'd knock over the US players, then steal the ball and run away with it.

    He's pretty fast for an old guy :P



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,875 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Remember the poster that said Disney cancelled Tim Allen for being a conservative then when it was pointed out that he was making a new show for them he just didn’t mention it again. They read the headlines they are fed then regurgitate them as fact, being told there is a culture war is enough for them to mobilise and swallow the load that is shot into their mouths by the people pulling their strings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭francois


    Once again the meaningless woke strawman, makes a tedious appearance.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 43,828 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    Ah you would have to have been really rocked to close to the wall for that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,743 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    I read posts like that from Trump, see his acolytes floundering on TV appearances since the latest indictment and think, what a LOSER. He looks so unbelievably weak at present. Wait until he's on a debate stage, and Chris Christie goes after him with nothing to lose. The aura slipping will see MAGA fans melt away. The grift doesn't work when Trump is highlighted as powerless and broke.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭francois


    You would like to think so, except the cult is strong-Reminds me of those end of the world preachers, when the date passes without incident, the faithful still believe as another date is set by their leader



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,634 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Once people started laughing at the old racists for complaining about political correctness they just rebranded it to 'its wokeness gone mad'



    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    They need to get him on the stand under oath at one of these trials and ask him directly if he actually believes the election was stolen and he tried to change the results or he has to admit under oath that he is lying to his supporter base.


    So he either lies under oath or tells the truth to his supporter base that he is lying to them about the election and all the money he has asked for from them was from a lie and he knew the election was fair and vaild.

    And if he pleads the 5th we all know what that means.

    Donald J Trump

    If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?'




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,225 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Other people have countered this but I'm going to do it once again because it is deserving of being hammered in to the fcuking ground.

    Any semblance of what might be classed as a 'Woke Agenda' has been contrived within the mindset of Conservatives smart enough to know they have zero meaningful policies by which to appeal to people. There's a reason they've won about 1 popular vote at Presidential elections in the last 30 years. The conservative ideology is failing on its feet unless it is given booster shots every couple of months through the creation of fantasy narratives of their mouthpieces.

    We've seen specific editions of this recently with the 'Trans book reading to children' being equated as grooming. A message that was pushed heavily on here by at least one person still actively involved on Boards. US conservatives recently pushed the 'Sound of silence' movie as being ground breaking (ala Pizza Gate) in revealing the supposed mindset of Democrats and meanwhile, in the real world, one of the funders of the movie was last week arrested for kidnapping children.

    Outside of these dramatic topics, the term Woke has been applied to pretty much every ideal which in reality should be described as 'not being a c*nt'. Teaching people about sexuality, consent, the history of the country, the need to protect the environment, treating people looking for a better life compassionately, the value of scientific process, long term sustainable societies and so on.

    Conservatives are now learning that once they welcomed the crazies onboard so as to give them a chance at retaining power, they can’t just put them out of sight once again when they realize the mistake they have made.

    Donald Trump was a diversion tactic that has escaped any semplance of control they hoped to be able to place on him. He was never capable enough for the office whether looking at it from a political, compassionate, intellectual perspective but because he is focused only on himself, Republicans are forced to pretend he is something he isn’t (and never has been) rather than admit how wrong they got it.

    But for the rest of us, we have to live with the consequences of the political environment being as it is. UK politics is as bad in lacking moral guidance from the Conservatives as it is in the US. And that has real life consequences for a lot more on here than the US does.

    If people are getting to the point of being fed up with anything, its much more likely to be about having been told that the sh*t they are swallowing when swimming in their countries water is not what it is (this is literally happening right now in the UK). Ultra conservative policies along the lines of abortion control are being defeated in the US wherever the public gets the opportunity to vote on them and yet you, and others like you expect us to think that Trump is some sort of indication of what the mindset in the wider US is. Complete and utter nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If Trump's support is holding steady while being under several federal indictments and civil cases, while also being a big factor in the Republicans failing to win a comfortable majority in the last midterms, then how do you think that his support is going to melt away after a verbal shellacking from Chris Christie? That's like predicting the T-1000 is toast after taking a whack of a baseball bat, after just surviving a massive shoot-out with the LAPD. It's not happening.

    With respect, I don't know how people keep on thinking this or that event will be thing that finishes Trump. Are we living in Groundhog Day? His support has ticked slightly upward since the indictments, if anything.

    Regarding debates, Trump has no particular need to attend. If he does attend, there'll be no points of policy discussed. It will just be rage. Trump can just call Christie a 'fat nobody who'll never be president' and that'll be the end of it. Chris Christie can talk tough, but everyone remembers that he was a complete toadie for Trump only a few years ago. This completely undermines the hard man act he is now trying to do. To one extent or another, everyone who would face Trump on a primary debate stage is this way. They have to simultaneously agree with pretty much every point of rhetoric or policy which has been espoused by Trump while simultaneously saying why he shouldn't be nominee. It doesn't work. It's a fundamentally weak position to argue from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,743 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    I think MAGAism is undoubtedly here for a while yet.

    But Trump isn't going to survive this particular indictment IMO. This is going to be a clean victory in court, with a judge that keeps the trains on time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,148 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Very very interesting this.

    Odd it hasnt been mentioned here before by the mass of critical thinkers.

    I see Trump is demanding the network turn over footage and communications, it could be quite interesting.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,709 ✭✭✭Glencarraig


    This is just the same as The Chump saying he can declassify documents just by thinking about it................More utter bulls*it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,708 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Erm, that article cites how the national guard didn't get deployed... Guess who was responsible for that..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭briany


    What do you mean by 'not going to survive'? Does he lose his political sway or does he die, or both? If he dies, he becomes the Kim Il Sung of the MAGA movement. Regarding being indicted, his supporters have no respect for the institutions of state when they go after Trump. If their opinion is that the election was rigged against Trump, despite no solid evidence, then I'm quite confident they will view any verdict against him as yet another attempt by 'the deep state' to take him down. Is this not how it's already being framed, in fact?

    Again, the mistake being made here is expecting Trump supporters to at some point see reason. They're living in their own reality. There will be no reasoning. There will be no moment when they see sense.



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  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 43,828 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    ??

    The slowness of Trump to release the national guard is a well documented fact.

    I don't think that article says what you think it says.

    Post edited by sydthebeat on


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