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Beef price tracker 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭KAMG


    I have to admire your optimism. However a bit of reality is needed.

    You state that the weekly kill has fallen by over 1,200 in the last 3 weeks. While this was true, a quick look this morning tells me that the most recent weekly kill figures are up nearly 1,400 on last weeks figures.

    I have bullocks going tomorrow morning. 4.65 is best I could get. In the midlands area. Rang 3 factories myself and all said that it was gonna be 4.60 next week and I could keep them if I wanted to!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,810 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    There must be plenty of cattle around there. Neighbour was in the factory yesterday. Saw a load of plain Continental bullocks going for slaughter only 550-580 kgs LW with very little flesh on them. He reckons they were bought in the mart over the weekend or Monday. Either that or some jad seriously overstocked. However the kad that had them is a tangler from 20-30 miles away

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,810 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Ya if it drys up next week lads will start to hold cattle again

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,186 ✭✭✭I says


    Yeah same as I’m firing meal into mine just to keep condition on them. Factory in a few weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,673 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    Next week not dry, nor the week after or the week after. Giving bits of rain nearly every day for month of august on my local weather.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,362 ✭✭✭kk.man




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭morphy87


    I’m just wondering how are people coping with the ground conditions in the bad weather? I’m feeding big heavy cattle and I never saw the fields so wet or cut up, they are pooched and nearly waterlogged, I presume if they were poached they would hold the water



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,870 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    Its a mess, feeding two groups outside. Thinking of bringing a half of each group in and finishing them in the shed. The land is turning to porridge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭morphy87


    when is the last time you saw it so bad? Mine are destroying even out the fields from the trough, how are your cattle thriving and how much meal are you giving them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,660 ✭✭✭DBK1


    I’ve 650kg plus continental heifers on 5kgs per day of a high maize 3 way mix. On top quality leafy green grass with plenty of clover in it. They’re struggling to hold their condition, never mind grow. I decided today I’m putting them into the shed tomorrow. Sick of looking at them tearing up the place and not thriving.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭morphy87


    It’s some disaster this weather, had you ever to put them in before this time of the year? Mine seem to be doing ok apart from wrecking the place



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,660 ✭✭✭DBK1


    No never this early, I was complaining last year when they were in by the 15th of October!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭somewhat disappointed


    You all complain about the low prices but you keep giving them cattle at these prices. If you hold on to your Cattle and make Factories pay a decent prices they will have to play our game. If Cattle are scarce the Farmers should be the winner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,179 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Just a quick question do you finish cattle and if so what % of your cattle sales goes straight to slaughter.

    The whole issue is a complex one for farmers. Cattle can go out of spec quick, cashflow stocking rates etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,870 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    I don’t Think it was ever this bad so early before, maybe in October or November time but more than half the cattle would be gone at that stage so it was easy manage. Cattle only started on meal 2 weeks ago so have a bit to go yet. Will probably house half of them. Continental cattle 700kg plus and they are eating 6kg a day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,316 ✭✭✭Dozer1


    Put in a bunch of 650kgs heifers 2 weeks ago to finish em they haven't roared once to go back out and are tipping along nicely



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,660 ✭✭✭DBK1


    I admire, or maybe more accurately I’m envious of, your innocence.

    If I remember correctly from previous posts from yourself you buy cattle for summer grazing and sell again in the mart at the back end of the year? I’m afraid it’s the men at this job that are keeping the factory prices down.

    The cheapest place for any factory to buy cattle is in the mart as unfortunately the majority of men selling in marts don’t understand how to calculate the factory value of their stock. Every animal over 450-500kgs that’s sold in a mart is reducing the factory price for finishers as the factory feedlots are buying them in the mart at less than their value.

    I won’t even get into the economics of meal feeding over fat cattle or the various penalties as cattle go “over-age”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 285 ✭✭smallbeef


    Factories know exactly how many beef cattle are in the country and know how many are close to 24, 30, 36 months etc. Also they have feedlots primed and ready to fill any void by a farmer hold-back. I'm afraid they'll win that one hands down.

    Long game has to be played to reduce the available stock in the country and keep cattle away from the feedlots. Leave the calves at the mart and carry what you buy to finish. Let Larry go rearing calves if he wants but don't do it for him and offer up your lovely reared stock for him to salivate over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,810 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I think like @DBK1 says you are very innocent. We can only hold cattle to an extent and the way the year is going it's not possible. Neighbour saw a load of Continental type bullocks 8 in a 14X8 box going for slaughter about 550 kgs. If the jad that owned them could have held them he would have.

    Feedlots ( probably most contracted or semi contracted) have 25% of the national kill in the first six months. They can fill any gap for 2-3 weeks where do we go then. It will be the first of September by tgen

    It's too late this year to arrange a strike as grass cattle would back up andtoo fast. Anyway if you bought the cattle in the spring and intend to sell in the autumn you are at nothing. It one thing to summer graze and finish, any lad summer grazing yearling to stores is just filling feedlots for the processors. You are buying at the most expensive time of year and selling at the lowest price point. Your are taking cattle from 250-300 kgs to the 450-500 forward store which is the supply feedlots thrive on. Consider as well you have added a movement onto cattle and that between you and the land that sold them to you there was 45 euro handed to marts and probably that or more handed to hauliers.

    That has driven the like of me and @Jjameson out of the winter finishing game. If you want to make money out of beef what you buy you finish.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,354 ✭✭✭amacca


    Will the problem be large numbers of poorly fleshed dairy xs coming on stream next year.....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    Who will have a problem with them sure the beef men will be able to tbuy hem as stores for next to nothing so who is it going to be a problem for?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,810 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I am drifting away from them at present as I think they are slightly over priced. Things like that are a one year wonder. The year after the calf/store man is paid less who then will not buy the dairy men's calves. The correction then is the dairy man holds the calf until three months or more.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭White Clover




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭somewhat disappointed


    Last year I more than doubled my initial Financial outlay so I can't be going too far wrong. What you think l will always fight for a higher price for Farmers who need a Financial boost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,211 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    With the way prices are going I am giving some consideration to letting a batch of AAX and HEX (18) go overage and finish them before they are 36 months next Feb/Mar.....

    I should have enough grass for them upto December and then finish or put in the shed for a few weeks....

    They would pile on some weight and the price will surely recover somewhat....

    Any logic to this...they are nicely fleshed at the moment, not sure how overfat they could get?

    I paid a good price to the Farmer in Feb for them and id be lucky to get my money back on them the way things are going......

    "SUBSCRIBE TO BOARDS YOU TIGHT CÙNT".....Plato 400 B.C



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 285 ✭✭smallbeef


    What weight are they now? If they are nicely fleshed and 600kg+ you'd be better of letting them go. Don't think you'll get the HE and AA bonuses over 30 months also. You should be able to pick up cheap replacements in a month or two that would be easier to winter and would increase value more over the winter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,211 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    Ya...theyd be hitting 600kgs now...

    I think that is a fair point about buying in cheaper replacements in a couple of months...

    Thanks

    "SUBSCRIBE TO BOARDS YOU TIGHT CÙNT".....Plato 400 B.C



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,224 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    I'm doing that, going to kill early January, I've, please God, a trip to the maternity ward in the spring so I want the shed empty early on.


    Saw over age and over fat heifers make as good as factory price in the mart this week, big whx but that might be different next week never mind next Jan.


    I'm not too fussed either way, a sad state of affairs but I think if there weren't times you wouldn't dip in enthusiasm in beef you'd be a hard machine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,832 ✭✭✭Robson99


    This year you will be very lucky to get what you paid for them in the spring. The arse is going to fall out of store cattle over the next 3 months



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,810 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    It might seem logical but with Hereford and AA cattle it depends on how much of the AA and HE bonus you lose. Generally the HE bonus is 10/kg locally but is not paid on over 30 months . The AA will probably pay part of the bonus over 30 months but it's 10c instead of 20c/kg.

    Off a 4.65/kg base you get 4.83-4.93 for HE and AA cattle grading O+.

    Even give that they grade R next February at a base of 5/kg you are looking at a price of 5.08 and 5.18 for HE and AA off that base.

    @StevenToast the first loss is usually the cheapest loss. Say you carry them to February you are facing into the same mistake as last Spring paying too much for stores

    You will buy around the edges at present and pick you coloured cattle for 2.2-2.4/ kg. They will do 100+ kgs cheap gain on grass, they will need no meal.over the winter and hit grass next spring. You will have a better chance of having some of them gone by July.

    I am dribbling cattle into the factory in bunches of 2-4 getting no spectacular price but replacing as I go along. Have 40 cattle bought for net year. Have three tall HO bullocks that will not be hung until next June. The stores are probably averaging 650/ head and are 50/50 Friesians and Continental's.

    Slava Ukrainii



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