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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE



    Reading the full report there was a list of 23 previous misconduct case judgements (including a tennis case) considered by the committee in arriving at its sentencing decision.

    I don't know about anyone else but reading 30+ pages of judgement for 23 cases can take a long long time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭bartkingcole




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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,928 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    They missed tests because the Union could either let them miss tests or not have them for the world cup. They were absolutely not given time off with a view to the RWC.

    In some cases the players wanted time off to unwind, in others they wanted time off to go play for other teams and make money. In none of these scenarios was it Union led. Had the players been available the All Blacks would have picked them.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,928 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    That's not a sabbatical though, its a money making adventure (which, I should clarify, is fine).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,218 ✭✭✭✭Crash


    Oh yeah look I'm not commenting on what did or did not happen. Moreso commenting on EPCRs mess of proving explicitly what happened to a level that could be punished under a broad "misconduct" heading.


    No way you spend all that time and money on both sides, and miraculously come up with "3" as the magic number that's really deserving for the action taken, just so happens to match the number of warm-ups, and has such wishy washy phrasing in the official statement. Not a great look for it all just to end up being backroom dealing, and the disciplinary process itself basically a load of bollocks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,576 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Screenshot_2023-07-16-23-16-34-80_e2d5b3f32b79de1d45acd1fad96fbb0f.jpg

    3 different incidents, one while he had a young child with him.

    Tbh, he is probably lucky it was only a 3 match ban



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,902 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep



    To quote another part of the report, the factual findings section:

    Incident 2 (the one with the young child - his son):

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    Incident 3:

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    Also note that the third incident was decided to not be misconduct. I'm surprised the second one (which was disputed and not accepted as misconduct by Sexton/Leinster) was too, but that's not up to me.

    [edit - I have edited my post to be less confrontational]

    Post edited by Dave_The_Sheep on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,615 ✭✭✭dublin49


    glad for Sexton,almost an Alan Quinlan like scenario in sabotaging his career finale but thank God he got an acceptable outcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,854 ✭✭✭theVersatile


    Quote from the judgment:

    "96. The evidence from Ireland’s Head Coach, which was not disputed by EPCR, is that JS “will be involved in the 3 warm up games that we have coming up”. Since JS has been “out of the game through injury since the 18th March 2023 we feel that this would be the minimum number of games that he will need to be match fit for the start of the Rugby World Cup”. 

    97. He is fit to play. That was the evidence from Dr Ciaran Cosgrove, Ireland’steam doctor, again not disputed by EPCR. 

    98. Therefore, we are satisfied that JS would, but for his suspension, be fit to play in and be selected for those matches."



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  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,402 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat




  • Site Banned Posts: 7,421 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Are they seriously the Irish world cup kits!? They're atrocious!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,286 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Not a bad outcome at all. Let’s all pray that in the precious time left for that player it’s the last of its kind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,109 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    So basically incident number two is,

    Sexton said something near the officials, which they didn't hear, and no one else heard, they don't know what he said, but they are going to go ahead and assume it was about the officials and that it was bad.

    That seems like very flimsy evidence



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭ShatterProof


    Flimsy or not you don’t need much evidence when he admits being confrontational and aggressive towards and disrespectful of the match officials in front of his son.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    It's really not a good look for our captain. Abuse of referees should not be tolerated. And it wasn't in the heat of the match or anything like that so he has no excuse. Probably should have been a longer ban.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,109 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    He didn't admit that. He admitted the first incident which wasn't in front of his son.

    I was more surprised that they have basically charged him with two incidents where they admit that they don't know what he did or said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,086 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Kudos to the committee for working in the "won't someone please think of the children" angle. (seriously though, it's obvious they mention it just to be able to distinguish each event, they're not actually judging his parenting)

    Read through the decision, it's pretty reasonable, but think there would have plenty of grounds to challenge had the sanction been more severe. If Sexton had simply denied the charge, all the evidence would have been pretty circumstantial.

    A good outcome for all sides IMO. Sexton gets a richly deserved ban, but not so severe that Ireland need to freak out about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    It would he thrown over in an appeal but in an appeal they could increase the sentence for incident 1 so why bother.


    Just take the ban and the 3 weeks and move on.


    If Sexton hadn't confessed to incident 1 there probably wouldn't have been enough evidence to convict but Sexton admitted it and apologised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,326 ✭✭✭TRC10


    I think a change in captaincy would probably be wise to be honest. Sexton would still be a hugely important leader within the group. But I think having someone else interacting with the referee would be a smart move. Referees are human and I don't think they will be 100% impartial with Sexton after this whole fiasco. If say we get Peyper for the quarter final, that could be a big problem for us.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,372 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    I see a lot of South African pundits are pretty unhappy about the Sexton ban. A good day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Yes, it was player-led rather than Union-led, but the union agreed to it in their contracts.

    The point being, they’re probably the 2 best players of their generation and they’ve both spoken about how beneficial missing Tests for a non-injury related reason in a RWC-cycle was beneficial for them. It’s not a totally alien concept.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,067 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    He's never been 38 before, and he was rubbish in the Connacht game after he came back from an injury last year. Lads the halo you have placed over Johnny's head is blinding your judgement

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,067 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    So you want to punish the referee for Sextons bad behaviour?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 easymoneysnipa


    Fantastic captain Ireland have got there. Sets a truly inspirational example.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,928 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I'm not placing on halo around him. He has routinely played for Ireland after lengthy absences and has mostly always been fine. It's not ideal, but by the time SA comes around he should be fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,986 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    It was meant to be a tongue-in-cheek comment - hoping for a bit a silver lining from the process



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,372 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Agreed.

    His one man show against Northampton remains a truly phenomenal performance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,067 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Based on what the IRFU doctors have said, Sexton needed all 3 warmup games to return to fitness. This implies that he's going to need to be heavily involved in the 2 pool games before South Africa.

    So much for managing his minutes and saving him for the knockouts. Can he reasonably be expected to play 7 games in 8 weeks if Ireland are to win the RWC?

    Surely Farrell needs to bring another 10 into the camp unless he wants to risk Frawley to be either benching or starting a knockout game of the RWC

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