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BBC Scandal - Huw Edwards formally suspended over payment of explicit images of teenager Read OP*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭kaymin


    You didn't say in your original post that you were forcing two homeless people to fight each other - just that they were offered money to fight - you seem to be changing the scenario to prove you are somehow correct in your position. Says alot about you actually!

    If two consenting adults agree to something which isn't illegal I don't see how it is anyone's business. The man in question has come out in support of the presenter and has made no claims that he was vulnerable and taken advantage of - in fact he says the opposite, that nothing inappropriate took place. So all of this supposition is completely irrelevant and wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭kaymin


    That's not correct - 'the Metropolitan police have asked the BBC to pause its inquiries into a suspended male presenter while specialist officers decide if there is any justification for a criminal investigation.' - not because of new allegations.

    Are you referring to the new allegations where someone threatened to expose him and the presenter issued his own threats in response?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,521 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    This was your post I replied to: "3 cases of behaviour that is legal save for a COVID breach which is really scraping the barrel."

    Clearly referring to not just the first allegation.

    How can you save there's every reason to think the conduct was legal if specialist officers need to decide???

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840130/#Comment_120840130

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,872 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I'm going to ignore you after this since you're deliberately avoiding the point.

    You don't seem to get that someone can do something absolutely horrible and despicable and yet still be within the law. Legal does not equal moral. That's the point.

    And if a presenter does something that's particularly immoral, particularly horrible, that involves taking advantage of someone who's addicted, then yes, the public have a right to know. Even if it's not illegal.

    The reasons why the public have a right to know are twofold.

    Firstly the presenter could be in a position of trust. If we are to trust the person, they should be trustworthy.

    Secondly, they are employed by the BBC which is a state institution.


    And that's ignoring the other accusations that were made. Sure, they could be made up. They could be doing it for money. But It could also be the start of another Saville/Weinstein/harris type saga.

    Which is why I said it needs to be investigated. And if, and only if, it's determined that it's something the public should know about, should we be told. But by ignoring this we could be ignoring a serial predator. So it's something the BBC/Police should take incredibly seriously.

    But as I said, it could be as innocent as paying someone on an only fans. So I'm withholding judgement until the investigations are complete and we know more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭kaymin


    I've explained why already. I'm not going to repeat myself.

    You're making a big deal about specialist officers - it's a team within the police that deals with matters concerning the BBC - it's not the first time they have been used and won't be the last.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,521 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    This is an entirely bad faith argument.

    (1) You posted this: "While specialist officers decide if there is any justification for a criminal investigation."

    (2) And this: "There's no reason to consider it illegal based on the information available."

    (3) And this: "3 cases of behaviour that is legal save for a COVID breach."

    You posted (1) and yet have not withdrawn (2) and (3).

    Your posts cannot be reconciled.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭kaymin


    Yes, something could be immoral, yet legal - so what. It's hardly a revelation. Some people consider gay people to be immoral. There's a reason why it is not illegal though and the same goes for much (perhaps all) of what the presenter is accused of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭kaymin


    Okay, I can't help you then. They are entirely consistent and imply the special investigators will establish there's no criminal wrongdoing for the same reasons I have.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 21,498 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Yes, the police are investigating to see IF anything illegal occurred. They might find that it has or hasn't, but the fact the they're looking into it doesn't atomatically confirm it has.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    Of course it doesn't confirm anything , but for posters to say oh there's nothing illegal here move on is probably is a bit silly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,710 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Did they get cash for the story? I doubt while bad they are giving it to the son for drugs

    Who is paying the son's legal team now, the presenter?

    Is there now a 4th person speaking out also?

    BBC should have taken the first report seriously

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭kaymin


    I doubt the presenter gave money to the son specifically for drugs either.

    BBC made a number of attempts to contact the complainant but were unable to make contact and, presumably, the complainant didn't follow-up.

    It seems there is a fourth person:

    'The presenter is now facing a range of new accusations from three other young people he is alleged to have met on dating sites, including a claim from one person that the BBC man broke Covid lockdown rules to meet up with them, and others that he sent threatening or “creepy” messages.'


    Again, where's the illegality?



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,468 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    cj maxx threadbanned for ignoring warning in OP



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,710 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Was it done through Only Fans?

    The presenter's career is over, whether they will out themselves with a "mental health" statement public apology of asking for nude pictures to 4 males

    In regard to criminal proceedings it will depend on what the police investigation will find, if any of them minors etc.,

    As many other presenters are being labeled and branded, I think they should out themselves, tell their story

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,710 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    According to Jeremy Vine, a BBC presenter at the centre of the scandal is reportedly ‘extremely angry’ and ‘wants to remain anonymous’

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,527 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    He's a presenter who has been taken off the air. He is - de facto - identified.



  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Mya Old-fashioned Locust


    I think this is often forgotten when the Gardai or police forces are investigating matters.

    we all have the presumption of innocence until proven guilty but the moment the police are involved someone’s guilty of something and that’s the end of it, where in fact sometimes they’re just needed to absolve someone!

    this isn’t even relatable to the PS thing where there’s this potential for having groomed the “young person” for many years prior to any liaisons. In this case from what’s been said they’re randos met online.

    Im not going to delude myself into thinking they’re victims either. They signed up to do the same thing this fella did, meet people, prob for casual sex, if they’re 18 or older then it’s no one’s business.



  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Mya Old-fashioned Locust


    Driving me mad I can’t find out who it is 😂 don’t watch any BBC programming on the regular to notice someone’s missing so I’m trying to keep an eye out for a mention.

    Have seen one name a few times alright but it seems improbable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,521 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Theres talk of money changing hands though and Mr BBC maybe thinking they were 'entitled' to something because of it and being heavy handed about it. It seems a bit more than just the ups and downs of online hookups.

    Its all a bit seedy and grubby. As I posted earlier on thread how did someone famous think they could be this indiscreet and not run into chancers who sense money either in blackmail or selling the story.

    In the old days a Rumpole of the Bailey would steer Mr X through the blackmail case and he would be 'retired' for health reasons on a cushy pension and told to cop on and be more discreet.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 452 ✭✭Madd002


    This is all bullshit, regardless of being in the public eye, everyone entitled to live their life outside of work. So what he gave guys money they were consenting adults and as for pressurising to meet up if chatting for 2months, do normal people on apps not do same, if not why still msg them..remember picture of Leo found with tongue down someone's throat other than his husband's at the time and he issued statement saying his private life was just that.



  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Mya Old-fashioned Locust


    Yea I have googled but no concrete answers

    I had an inside man, who naturally I won’t name, look into and the name they came back with matches my suspicions.

    I am now no longer in the dark 😎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    Hahah yeah I think the name that's being bandied about is pretty certain at this stage!



  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Mya Old-fashioned Locust


    Well, according to the sun who are reportedly backpedaling so hard right now one of them reckons they saw Ancient Greece for a second there.

    But regardless two grown ass adults involved in a consensual sex act whether or not money was exchanged is not the big deal everyone makes it out to be.

    If it was such a big problem why would it be reported as a minor originally? Is it because no one really gives a bollocks if it’s someone who’s in their 20’s? Doesn’t really have the same impact in the headlines does it?

    “BBC Presenter Had Consensual Sex Chats & Encounters with Adults”



  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Mya Old-fashioned Locust


    The difference though, when Leo’s story was reported no one claimed he was shifting a minor.

    He’d to this day be getting the same type of hardship were there even for a moment that idea. It’s not about who they are or what they do in their private life it’s the fact it was reported as a minor (or young person implying underage) that’s caused outrage.

    The thing is for every 1 person who reads and keeps up with corrections, there’s 99 people who only read the story once and drew their conclusions that this lads a pedo or something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    No criminal offence ATM

    Met police statement



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 452 ✭✭Madd002


    I agree, but juvenile at the time won't even entertain Police, he has a drug habit now, parents probably jealous of the cash he received as previously read they don't have much of a relationship and to go to the Sun of all places🤔 As for everyone else coming forward do you not have to be over 18 to go on dating apps or like Facebook when teenagers put in fake DOB's to get access years ago.?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    It will be interesting now to see how this plays out if there's no charges

    "Huw Edwards" ... First words on 6 oclocks news

    He's resigned



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,305 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Huw Edwards named by the BBC and he has resigned.



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