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BBC Scandal - Huw Edwards formally suspended over payment of explicit images of teenager Read OP*

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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 81,166 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    Mod

    wotzgoingon thread banned.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,793 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Looks like The Sun seriously messed up here (or acted maliciously). They took the word of a single source - the young man's mother - and ran with the story, despite there being little or no verification anything illegal had actually happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,865 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    I saw that term being bandied around on a thread on this site when Adam Johnson (former Sunderland footballer) was being prosecuted for his interactions with a 15 year old girl, by a cohort of posters who were using it as a means of justification for his actions.

    Where ephebophiles differ from paedophiles is that they are attracted to children who have reached puberty while the latter are attracted to prepubescent children.

    Being involved with a child who has reached puberty is still, until that child reaches the age of consent, a crime, this seemed to be lost on those particular posters.

    In this case it appears nothing untoward has happened (beyond at least one embarrassing photograph of the accused), but using the term ephebophile as some sort of "fact check" get out of jail free card isn't an argument I'd be clamouring to make, as in all honesty it really isn't a position worthy of defence and when I do see it being put forward I'm always left a little uneasy as to the motivations someone might have for doing so.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    It's just the correct word, that's it. No gotcha or defence. If you see it as some sort of defence, that's on you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭Trigger Happy


    The sun's statement just after 6 is very ambiguous. Its like they are saying their story was just to highlight how slow the BBC were to respond to the mothers complaint back in May.

    It was so irresponsible of them to publish that story and not qualify it by saying the 20 year old denied the allegations.

    Be interesting to see the paper headlines later this evening.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,994 ✭✭✭glenfieldman


    Sky news are still running the story and presenter still suspended



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,523 ✭✭✭Odhinn




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    So

    It looks like it's possible all of this is a hoax

    The complaint in May

    The story in the Sun

    The twitter pics of a high profile person nude

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,512 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Or a blackmail attempt against Mr X that got out of control. Possibly Mr X did something compromising but maybe not what has been alleged.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Murdoch crime family trying to take someone down, again



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭Trigger Happy


    Eric Gill was the sculptor of Prospero and Ariel statue. He wrote about abusing his daughters in his diary. Interfered with his dog too. Allegedly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,300 ✭✭✭Economics101


    A Few years ago the News of the World (aka "The News of the Screws") bit the dust. So will the Sun be another Murdoch rag to go because of its own bad behaviour?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,523 ✭✭✭Odhinn




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    A right mess for sure, but is the word of the 20 year old more believable in this instance? If they have an addiction issue, might have reasons to deny. Family relationships maybe all screwed up already and the person quite at odds with parents. I'd imagine some facts lie in the financial records.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    Deleted wrong post quoted



  • Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭ Renata Jolly Windsock


    Quick scan through the online versions of the broadsheets shows the Telegraph and the i leading with the allegations are rubbish line, but the Times is saying that the BBC presenter in question is under ‘massive pressure’ to step down. No mention of the new info. Seems like News Corp is ordering its titles to back the S*n for now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,044 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭Trigger Happy


    Well that's it....evidence is what we are missing. All we really know is what the sun reported that the mother said and that her son has denied it. And a lot of rumor and supposition around that.

    If she believed a crime had been committed she should have gone to the police in the first instance. Not the BBC and certainly not the sun. That she didn't does raise questions about her credibility. The sun has no credibility. The son, if he is an addict and wanting to keep the money train going also lack credibility. So lacking any evidence or statement from the BBC presenter we are stuck with a story that lacks credibility.

    On a side note I wonder if the mirror are offering the son a wad of cash for his side of the story. Be some scoop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,709 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    It’s what we don’t know that is likely at the heart of any investigation at present. Such as:

    1. How did this connection between the presenter and the young person commence?
    2. What was the nature of this connection or relationship ?
    3. Was some form of financial payment transferred between the two? If so, what was the purpose of this payment?
    4. Is there any independent evidence of illegality for whatever reason, and by either party, regardless of what either party might currently be saying?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 123 ✭✭Tavrin Callas


    So a statue "by" a known paedo, not "of" a known paedo! (I know you didn't post the original comment, but it seems to be deleted so I can't quote it).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    5. Did it happen at all or is it a made up story?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,976 ✭✭✭✭walshb




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭radiospan


    The 20 year old in question has reasons to deny alright. He could be accused of creating, selling and distributing child pornography, as well as the cocaine stuff his mother went to the papers with.

    Strangely, it seems he could potentially have more serious charges against him than the BBC presenter does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,709 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “Something” happened- there”s pictures of “something” - allegedly of the person in semi undress- how did these pictures come about? There are payments- allegedly- have these payments been evidenced as coming from the person in question?

    There appears to be “something” that merits at least further enquiries and possibly a police investigation. If it’s an elaborate hoax, it’s very strange what the individuals in question would hope to gain from such a hoax.

    If no criminal investigation arises from the further enquiries it’s very possible we’ll never know the full facts- ever.



  • Posts: 405 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Didn't read the thread, yet decided it's all "droll" (sic).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,709 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN




  • Posts: 405 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    And would people ever just fu*king learn what virtue signalling means.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭radiospan


    The 20 year old could also have potential revenge porn charges against him (up to 2 years in prison) if he was the source of that photo of the BBC presenter going around: https://www.lawtonslaw.co.uk/resources/what-is-the-revenge-porn-law-in-england

    No wonder his lawyers deny everything.

    And now "in a new interview, the mother and step-father who have made the claims said they "stand by" their allegations." The mother and son are estranged, so is there some revenge or similar going on?

    Total mess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    I absolutely believe this story should be investigated fully. It's possible that the story is made up and it's possible that the 20 year old crack addict was paid off to say nothing happened. It's an investigation needs to take place.

    Just a small but important point on your post above.

    We don't 100% know if there's pictures because they haven't been published and I can't find anywhere that the Sun has said they have seen the pictures or that they have passed them to the BBC or the Police. I read several Sun articles and it said that the Mother had seen images of the BBC presenter in his underwear getting ready for a video chat. Did the Sun take her word for that or do pictures exist? Lots of questions.

    She recalled: “I loved watching him on TV.

    “So I was shocked to see a picture of him sitting on a sofa in his house in his underwear.

    “I immediately recognised him.

    “He was leaning forward getting ready for my child to perform for him.

    “My child told me, ‘I have shown things’ and this was a picture from some kind of video call.”




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,177 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    At this stage, I would question whether repeating any "fact" from the Sun article such as claiming that drugs were used by the now-20-year-old - an estranged mother is unlikely to have accurate info.



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