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Russian warship, go f**k yourself!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,454 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    Can’t see FSB going with Wagner. Putin is one of theirs.

    Army, maybe



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,491 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    It will all depend on what side the army go to. Surprising the air force aren't stopping them moving towards Moscow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,491 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    What will Ukraine do now with the offensive which hasn't been going well so far for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,603 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Jaysus, if they can't make hay now when Russia's imploding there's no hope! Surely plenty of Russians on the front will down tools n head home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,335 ✭✭✭148multi


    The air force might be the hinge that the gate swings on



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭Waffletraktor


    Ukraine's been doin a job on Russian arty, it's thought 2/3's of pre war is gone or worn out with very very limited replacement. Hard to get through mine fields and the likes underfire when your funnelled into areas pre-aimed and dont have overwhelming airpower to blast a more favourable path through.

    The Russians in the south won't have much arty by next weekend if supplies of ammo and fuel aren't rolling in as himar and storm shadow essentially pushed depo's back into Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,491 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    It's been a costly few weeks for Ukrainian soldiers and equipment. The mines soldiers and airpower are still in place for now so why risk it right now. They also don't know what's coming down the tracks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,222 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Any attack is costly. They have carried out probing attacks really, haven't committed the bulk of their brigades. Even if every Russian abandoned their position today, it would indeed be very slow progress due to the sheer number of mines. It took Ru 7 months to "take" one town, the Ukrainian counter-offensive will be slow no matter how successful it is.

    Also Russian forces now have to move to fill the gap Wagner has left, plus if Prigozhin can stay alive more than 48 hours and his push doesn't evaporate the effects of a prolonged stand-off could start to impact the Russian forces in Ukraine.



  • Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Here we are, living in a Tom Clancy novel. prig is a much worse criminal than putrid. The best outcome imo is thousands of dead ruzzians with putrid's regime catastrophically weakened from the challenge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Whatever was going on seems to be over. But were any shots even fired?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,677 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    It's like "the sum of all fears" atm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,814 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    The best outcome imo is thousands of dead ruzzians

    Psychotic statment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    Putin crawling back out of his bunker in St. Petersburg.

    Lukashenko playing cute once again, was he after high-tailing it to Turkey?

    Plenty politics in this yet, to say the least.

    “We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality.” George Orwell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,222 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Couple of helicopters shot down, that was pretty much it. Prigozhin rolled an army from Ukraine all the way to the Moscow oblast, in 24 hours, no one stopped him or could stop him. The regime were digging up roads to Moscow with excavators, that's how impotent they were in this situation. Putin's supporters, who've been deathly silent for 24 hours have suddenly piped up with "huh, what was that?", as if every other day a mercenary army gets to within 200km of Moscow causing the entire Russian leadership to flee the capital and negotiate with the mercenaries.

    As has been mentioned many times over the last year and a half, the Russian military in Ukraine has cracks and can fracture. If the Ukrainians can put enough pressure on, who knows what can happen. That was a very close call for the Russian leadership (and military) today, and this whole thing isn't over, there will most certainly be a massive purge.

    Oh yeah and then there's this:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,717 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    That quote from Larry Dunne, the Dublin drug dealer of the 70's and 80's comes to mind. ‘If you think we’re bad, wait until you see what’s coming after us’

    Putin's army may seem like saints compared to that Wagner group.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,491 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    It's back to the grindstone for the Ukrainian troops now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    I read an analysis by a fellow on Twitter last year, Kamil Galeev, that said this could play out very much like the fall of the tsar if Putin didn't succeeded quickly in Ukraine, that it was very similar to the Tsar's war against Japan prior to the Bolshevik revolution.

    He also said that Lukashenko had a lot of sway over Putin and that he was almost indispensable to his regime and reputation as the restorer of the Russian Empire. He gave a few examples of the tail wagging the dog.

    He gives very interesting and informed insights into the culture and basis behind the the politics, to me anyway.

    Scary times over there.

    “We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality.” George Orwell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,454 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    It would remind you of Jan 6th attacks in Washington.

    at the time you thought “OMG I’m watch history unfold here” and then as quick as it started it was just… over



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,816 ✭✭✭Field east


    Wagners apparent withdrawl smells to high heaven. IMO , I think it’s an attempt to open up another front - mark two - in Belarus in association with the apparent transfer of nuclear missiles.

    Oh wait————. From what I understand the Belarus army , special undercover operatives, etc, have been Very, very, very reluctant to get involved in supporting Putins war. So if Prigozhin regroups and starts to attack UKr from Belarus , I wonder will the Belarus army stand idly by ? I do not believe , even for one second, that they will all go home to Mammy , as Putin suggested. The second option is the one that will be taken up - because that is the only one that will give them the opportunity to ‘practice their special skills’



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,454 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    What happens to all the Wagner operations in Africa now?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And even more importantly, in Syria. Business as usual I suppose as Putin needs the cash now even more than ever. We will have to wait and see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,335 ✭✭✭148multi


    It could be a cash cow for putin,very much like north Korea farm out workers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,491 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    Looking at how hard it is to get through the Russian mine fields and trenches Ukraine were asleep before the start of this war. They could see the Russian build up going on for 11 months and did nothing to defend themselves. It looks like they were totally reliant on NATO tactics without all the NATO equipment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,816 ✭✭✭Field east


    Well there was nothing that it could do re the Luhansk and Donbas area as Ru/ proxies were there already . It could , technically , have mined the border re Donbas / Luhansk. It did not need to do anything re Kiev as it had sufficient defence

    to repel the Russians. It’s hard to know what else it could have done before 24/02/ 2021 apart from having more F16s’ or at least equivalent



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,222 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    They were doing everything to defend themselves with what they had. The Russians were firing up to 10 artillery rounds for every one Ukraine had. The Russians have been able to support attacks from the air, Russians have been using cruise missile attacks, knocking out the Ukrainian electricity grid. Ukraine was, at one point, losing up to 200 men a day on the Eastern front. Mines have been pretty low on the priority list considering.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,491 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Is it more the case that neither side wanted to use them as it creates a barrier that works both ways?

    Russia was deemed incompetent for not being able to break through Ukrainian minefields in the winter but reality would seem to be that it's difficult for anyone unless they have free reign in the air, which isn't going to happen for either side. F16s aren't going to change that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,222 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Not sure what you mean.

    Russia holds Ukrainian territory. Russia is mining the hell out of that territory. There is little Ukraine can do about that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,222 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Russia has built massive defensive lines to cling onto what it could indicating it didn't have much faith in it's offensive power. Ukraine is currently having to go through those defences. It's slow progress, that said, Ukr has made more progress in several weeks than Russia did in 7 months.

    Air power is critical for any offensive, the US bombed Iraq day/night for a month before their offensive. F16's would significantly help Ukraine's offensive.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,491 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    In the 11 months that Russia were building numbers close to the border before the war started what did Ukraine do to defend themselves.



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