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Breaking... US Supreme Court overturns Roe v Wade

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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,057 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Good analysis here on the legal shenanigans done by the 3 judges - Kacsmaryk and 2 5th circuit judges, all TiFG appointees. Seems they broke with precedent, barely had hearings and now the issues thrown back to them. So, not over, but it's an excellent example of judicial activism by the GQP-aligned judges:




  • Registered Users Posts: 16,471 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    They see the 7-2 and think they just need to get 3 more like Thomas and Alito onto there, not that it's a point of law but to abuse the justice system.

    When are the GQP going to start going after the COVID vaccines or paracetamol or cancer drugs more earnestly? By their new criteria, every form of medicine bar praying should be revoked.



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,137 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Not even Trump's packed court could stand over the lower court's appallingly bad decision.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 81,915 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Don’t be so sure. All they’ve done at this stage is deny the lower court it’s injunction against the drug while the appeal plays out in the 5th circuit of appeals. The fifth circuit is full of ten gallon hats and it’s likely with the GOP/Federalist society operating the way it does on the courts, that we will see that decision end up at the Supreme Court, likely next year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,057 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Secondary effects of Dobbs coming into play: fewer OB-GYN doctors in red states, fewer students training for OB-GYN and abortion procedures in red states...

    Next will be a reduction in women's life expectancy in red states due to lack of trained OB-GYN. Interesting side note, saw a summary recently where life expectancy of women who don't graduate from high school in the US has dropped 5 years in the last 30. All other education achievement levels (full high school, some college, college grad) in the same time period has increased. My feeling is that the lack of abortion access in red states means more pregnant high school students drop out and face tougher lives, with lower life expectancy...



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  • Registered Users Posts: 81,915 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    There are whole hospitals in the Midwest that now no longer provide any maternity services because of the legal landscape.




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,057 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    A law professor's analysis on the SCOTUS ruling on the mifepristone case, why what Alito wrote is poor, and why the lower court decisions were poor:





  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 75,598 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    potentially defamatory comment and replies deleted



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,057 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Surprisingly, 5 GOP female lawmakers in @Overheal's state of residence participated in a filibuster to kill an abortion ban bill in South Carolina. Rare as hens teeth these days. This Sandy Senn speaks the truth, what the GOP are getting up to in SC is pretty frightening (convict women for murder if they've had an abortion.)




  • Registered Users Posts: 81,915 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    It was still only defeated by 1 vote. 22-21 I think or near about.

    Doubt they will stop either until another major general election defeat slaps them in the face. At the moment they still think banning abortions is a vote getter



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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,517 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Whenever I hear about there being a possible civil war in the states, it strikes me as hysteria. But when I listened to that video, it made me think it really is a possibility.



  • Registered Users Posts: 470 ✭✭archermoo


    They are the classic dog that caught the car. Now what?



  • Registered Users Posts: 81,915 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    A wanted pregnancy, a medical complication, a conservative law = a forced/emergency hysterectomy.




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,057 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Not directly Roe related, but more dirt on Alito getting played by a rich guy in order to influence rulings:

    TL;DR: If you can't tell who the mark is when you enter the poker game, it's you. In this case, it's Justice Alito. Not his first rodeo, either, he leaked the Hobby Lobby decision to people who'd paid into the "Supreme Court Historical Society" to rub elbows with him.


    Link to a WSJ article talking about the suit in question and how the organizer of this lux trip was involved: (https://archive.is/zZo0t)



  • Registered Users Posts: 81,915 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    ACB also had real estate dealings with a religious lobby group that regularly submits amicus curiae briefs. It’s amazing how of all the millions of homebuyers in the United States the justices keep happening to run into people with business before the court to sell their homes too. Huh.



  • Registered Users Posts: 81,915 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Biden will be giving a live address in about an hour on the 1 year anniversary of Roe being overturned. He is expected to announce executive measures to expand access to contraception

    Livestream link here,




  • Registered Users Posts: 81,915 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    did they just strike down policies that discriminated based on race?



  • Registered Users Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Str8outtaWuhan


    Basically one minority, Asian Americans were been refused entry in favour of another minority African Americans.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,258 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    By and large, yes. There are a couple of caveats and asterisks, but the systems at hand by Harvard and UNC were (rightfully, IMO) prohibited.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,010 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    They struct down race based affirmative action for minorities, but affirmative action in the form legacy admissions and the like remain.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,057 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Still in place for Military academies. Obviously the policy is beneficial to some.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Affirmative Action is not favored by the majority of Americans as polls have shown. Its obviously infuriated the MSNBC types but this is definitely a ruling where the majority agree .



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,057 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    And polling is what determines SCOTUS rulings? What is the title of this thread again?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,258 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Yes, but the situation is not comparable.

    For a civilian university, the graduates are all put into the same worker pool as everyone else. They have certain advantages in competition over others, but nothing hard or defined. In a military academy, the graduates are placed in positions of command authority as commissioned officers over an entirely different class of people. Experience has shown that having a grossly disproportionate racial make-up between officers and enlisted does 'Bad Things' (TM) to discipline, morale and operations (eg a unit with lots of black soldiers, but predominantly white officers).

    A graduate from Harvard can't order a subordinate to risk their life from a particularly violent office copier. A graduate from West Point can order their subordinate to charge a machinegun on pain of incarceration. The resulting perception problems and their practical effects from a notable racial imbalance between the two groups is (a) obvious, and (b) demonstrated from experience.

    The difference is between one example attempting to redress the socio-economic imbalance across races, the other is attempting to redress the functioning of the nation's military.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,057 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Roberts' assertion in the decision is that the Constitution is colorblind. Nothing about outcomes or potential problems due to the student's career choices. By that reasoning exempting military academies is suspect if not out and out wrong.


    If outcomes of educational opportunities DO matter, "legacy" admission policies can stand, but what if not? Those should go, too.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,258 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I believe legacy admissions fail an 'equality' test as well, a point specifically brought up by both Gorsuch and Sotomayor. But that doesn't make them illegal. "Legacy" or "donor" is not addressed in either the 14th Amendment or the Civil Rights Act.

    There are always exceptions to default positions the Constitution, the color-blindness isn't an exception, be it from voting to guns. That exception has to meet strict scrutiny. It must be shown to directly further a definable government interest and be narrowly tailored to meet the requirement. National Security and the operation of its executive organs is a very definable government interest, and there is practical effect which was submitted into evidence as part of the Amicus Curie brief of The United States. However, it's worth noting that the Court here didn't actually specifically state that the military academy exemption was valid. It just said that it was definably different (a point somewhat disagreed with by Sotomayor), and they had not been asked to comment upon it. It may or may not pass muster, and it will be addressed if the court finds it necessary to take a case on the matter.



  • Registered Users Posts: 81,915 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Starting to get a look at what they will be taking up next season:

    You get 3 guesses how the decision will go. And 1 for what the consequence will be.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,258 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    "The unanimous opinion of the 5th Circuit below is affirmed".

    As to the consequence, that may depend on the reactions.

    To quote the concurrence from Judge Ho: "Those who commit or criminally threaten domestic violence have already demonstrated an utter lack of respect for the rights of others and the rule of law. So merely enacting laws that tell them to disarm is a woefully inadequate solution. Abusers must be detained, prosecuted, and incarcerated. And that’s what the criminal justice system is for. I concur"



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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,849 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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