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This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭poker--addict


    It's done a fair few KM!


    28k didn't make much sense? There are ones with dealer for 29-30k with a fraction of the KM, same trim, same county.

    😎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭eagerv


    Nice spec as well, VW Matrix lights (Excellent), glass roof with blind, etc.

    When you think the earlier base model was making about €34k (Asking more) not that long ago..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,995 ✭✭✭McGiver


    Lower trims starting 2024Q1 will have 45 kWh LFP blade battery. Allegedly starting at 25k.

    Higher trims starting 2023Q2 will have 60 kWh LFP blade battery. Allegedly starting at 27.5k.

    The battery will outlast the car as it's Chinese so won't be perfect mechanically. But since it's an EV there's fewer things to break mechanically.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,995 ✭✭✭McGiver


    Video 2 - That's for a new thread.

    Video 1 - That's for Conspiracy theories forum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,285 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Maybe start your own thread, so we can give specific advice.

    I am an ioniq 28kWh owner (not for sale). The warranty for them is typically 5 years everything, 8 years or 200,000km (whichever comes first) on battery. Newer models it's 160,000km. (Less)

    While the cars and in particular the batteries give little to no trouble even at high mileage there is some reports of motor bearings/reduction gearbox bearings going around 180,000km on specific bad batches of cars that had alignment issues. Not common but a risk if out of warranty. Any minor glitch might also need a dealer visit with a risk of a high bill. Compared to a leaf they are more reliable and the batteries could last to 300,000km or more, yet to be seen.

    Things I would question, would you save money with such short trips? Would you end up with the EV on the odd long trip and are you willing to possible queue at a public charger at peak times when say you need to make a trip beyond 160km on a motorway (80km from home). The ioniq does tend to charge back up twice as fast as a leaf so a typical 20 minute ioniq stop versus a 40 minute leaf stop.

    Typically it would be better to spend say 17k on the same car with only 100,000km and say a years battery warranty. This should be easier to resell in 3 or 4 years with your low mileage versus trying to sell a car with 250,000km on it. You could also buy a newer year car thus the 5/8 year limit would cover you for 2 or 3 years at low mileage.

    The bargain basement end is higher risk and there is often a reason these cars are cheap.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 707 ✭✭✭PaddyCar


    Thanks for that very useful advice. My work is 160km round trip which I do 2 days a week and there is ample chargers at work so I could use them if needed. I've seen a few 171 ioniqs for roughly 19k with 70-80k km which I'm drawn to and if I can get a few 000 trade in this may be the way to go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,116 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    That's way too much. There was one advertised last week for €12k and it sold. There is still one for sale for €13k. Have a look on DoneDeal. Both were high mileage cars though

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,484 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    He's going to be doing high mileage, so best value for him would be to buy a car thats already classed as high mileage. I did this with my first Tesla too, bought a used S with 140k km and sold with 195k km. Putting miles on a car is expensive if you're the one that drives it over 100-120k km on the odometer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,285 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Beware a 28kWh ioniq might struggle 160km in worst case conditions of high motorway speed , and below freezing conditions like we get end of January each year. You can top up at work but beware work chargers could get very busy in next 12 or 24 months and no guarantee they will work reliably or be fixed quickly if broken. You also want to allow some spare range for evening trips to shops or visiting friends. My ioniq was used for a 110km commute which was ideal as it left spare range and was guaranteed to make the trip in worst case winter. I would not recommend a 28kWh for a 160km commute due to needing to possibly charge 2 times per day sometimes but it could be done and 160km range could be done if you slowed down when freezing temperatures reduce range. A car with 38kWh+ battery would make life more comfortable but cost more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,484 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I think you had an ioniq 28 at one point, yes?

    Anyway, I have had two and done over 100k km in them combined, nearly ran out twice too. I think unless the full road is 120 from door to door 160km will be fine all year round. If you're getting low just slow down to 110. I wouldnt pay a substantial premium for a 38 in that instance.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,116 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Agreed with @ELM327 - if you are going to do big miles, do it as cheaply as possible, so a cheap high mile out of warranty Ioniq 28kWh for about €12-14k is ideal for that 160km commute (take it handy on bad winter days). You will save a small fortune over any other car, electric, hybrid or diesel. You take the risk of something bad happening to the car on the chin

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,331 ✭✭✭creedp


    Absolutely agree if you don't regularly equire range outside of commute. That's what killed me with an L30, that was in the heady days when I'd get over 150kms per charge😭. I had a 120km commute but frequently had to cover 30km or more when I got home. This meant constant topping up either in work when charger available or on way home. Became a pain and meant the diesel was often used for these additional journeys.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 877 ✭✭✭GSBellew


    Whilst I agree on most of what you are saying, the servicing costs are a bit of a misnomer, its just oil, oil filter and an air filter every other service, a timing belt every 100,000 km's, clutch eventually if its manual but if we compare like to like it would be an automatic.

    An EV still has CV joints, bushes, ball joints, bearings, brake pads, brake discs, springs, shock absorbers and so on that still require maintenance / inspection and replacing, it is a folly to think they do not require servicing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,272 ✭✭✭Paul Kiernan


    My experience with servicing costs over the years are that the usual extras (over and above oil, fluids, plugs, etc.) are brake related, pads and/or discs. As the brakes on an EV are only actuated on heavy braking they don't wear as they would on an ICE so that's actually another substantial saving!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,116 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Shoulda got Ioniq 28kWh instead of Leaf 30kWh! You really needed that extra bit of range.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,116 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Agree with you that suspension affects all cars, EVs included. But not normally any expensive work needed until the car has done a lot of mileage, like 150k km or so. For many people this is irrelevant as the car simply won't ever reach that. Particularly second family cars.

    As @Paul Kiernan says an EV barely uses brakes. I saw a vid a while back about a Dutch Tesla Model S being tested with 400k km on it. It had the original brake disks and was only on the second set of brake pads!

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,273 ✭✭✭September1



    It seems to be not a bad deal if 4 seats is enough for someone.

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/volkswagen-id-3-pro-s-tour-82kwh-2021/34404401



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,331 ✭✭✭creedp




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,486 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    I think a lot of folk latch onto the Tesla mantra that lack of regular services does not impact their warranty, that of course does not mean no servicing but does mean servicing in a greatly reduced manner.

    Cost of those that choose to get regular servicing should be a lot less too, e.g. I paid €77 for a main Nissan dealer service on our Leaf

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,116 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    People feeling the squeeze, lots and lots of ID.3 for sale. Now is your chance to pick up a bargain. Would that guy really refuse a €26k offer transferring the money there and then?

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭Stevie2001


    I didn't think market correction would happen this quickly, I mean we all know EV's were way overpriced, only a fool would think it costs VW €50,000 to put a 77kWh battery and an electric motor in a car, besides maybe the Ioniq 28kWh when it came out and was 22k for a while, but all the rest were well overpriced

    Nissan are still selling Leaf 62kWh €36,000, imagine the fool buying that outright and trading it in a few years

    Still though its getting crazy, ICE are going up in price used and EV's way down

    You've changed your tune though Unkel?

    I can remember you basically recommending any EV for posters to buy, practically free to run, €1 for 100km etc, car will pay for itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,116 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Haven't changed my tune at all. My own EVs in fact cost zero to run for a lot of the time 😂

    But things change, like electricity now costs 300% of what it cost a couple of years ago while petrol and diesel are still more or less the same. Nobody could predict stuff like this. Also there are simply hundreds of ID.3 coming out of lease, these are dumped on the market now. And a lot of people have ordered Tesla Model Y after the huge price drops (also highly unpredictable) which affected the entire market (not just EVs), with Tesla offering the owners terrible trade in, so people are under pressure to sell privately and take a hit

    The one constant was always my prediction that EVs at the bottom end (read sub €10k or so) are holding their value very well, they could even go up in value as more and more people want a cheap EV as a second family car. And there is no easy way to import them from the UK any more.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,138 ✭✭✭coolbeans




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭poker--addict




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,308 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    Not for a id3. There is a Tour 5 that has five seats in a id3 but I think you had to pay extra for that.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,433 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I drove 24 KWh leafs home from Dublin through Belfast. Nenagh be a walk in the park 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,116 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Your Leaf could fast charge (well 45kW), that car can only charge at 3.3kW so takes a couple days to bring it from Nenagh to Dublin 😁

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 566 ✭✭✭electricus


    The Tour 5 cost less than the better equipped 4 seater back in 2021.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,813 ✭✭✭fafy


    The Tour 4 seater was around €2,100 more expensive in March 2021

    IMG_6308.jpeg

    And the Tour 4 seater, had the following highlighted items, which are not on the Tour 5, allthough, “Area View”, for some bizarre reason, was excluded from the Tour 4 seater, but was included with the Tour 5.

    IMG_6309.jpeg




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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,433 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo




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