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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,306 ✭✭✭ebbsy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,998 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Feckin strap myself in for the SixOne now…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,147 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Rte coming out of the 1st PAC very badly.

    And as expected, the one person who can really answer the questions ain't going to show.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,491 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    That was the Oireachtas committee, PAC is tomorrow



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,998 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,910 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    Tubbs' salary (without unreported add-ons) should be sufficient to be split amongst the top 10 earners. So many of them get their audience either from an established brand (LLS for example), or from old people who's TVs never leave rte 1 and radios never leave Radio 1.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,089 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    That's part of the problem for RTE's commercial revenues, their audience for their traditional big hitting shows is dying off rapidly and they have little to appeal to the non-OAP audience. Increased competition and streaming is the other part.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,447 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Looks like the can may be kicked down the road into the new Dail. Next government will have to take a quick and firm decision if so though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,089 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    That €345,000[*] blunder is going to end up costing RTE many many millions. It's made a broadcasting charge, or an increase in the licence fee, even more politically toxic than it already was.

    I think it's time the government finally realised that things just can't go on as they have been. Forbes' main task was supposed to be to bring financial stability to RTE!!! now things are worse than ever and public trust in it is at an all-time low.


    [*] Well, €345,000 that we know about, so far...

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,447 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    It's made a broadcasting charge, or an increase in the licence fee, even more politically toxic than it already was.


    Something will have to happen fairly soon though, or RTE will be forced to take a hatchet to some of its priciest programming, especially with licence fee refusal likely to skyrocket in the wake of the current shenanigans.

    I suspect if SF is leading the next government we might see the direct exchequer funding proposal being revisited...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,089 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    TBH I don't think that's the answer. There needs to be a much slimmed down public broadcaster (ad free, it's a conflict of interest) and anything commercial should be hived off. So if that just means RTE1, News Now, RTE Jr and Radio 1 so be it. R na G could go to TG4. Sell everything else off. Commission all programming from independent producers except news.

    If the taxpayer must support orchestra(s), and tbh I think it shouldn't, then do that via NCH etc. and don't expect a broadcaster to do it.

    Oh and given that we have Irish radio stations and news radio stations, all other radio stations should not have to have news or Irish, BAI requirements are daft.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ Cataleya Howling Canoeist


    Joe and talent😂😂😂

    Comes in for his breakfast then breathes into the mike for an hour every day from Clontarf and throws out inane musings and Bridie from Kilmacthomas is off an some rant.

    150% most of us could do his job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,553 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Only listened to Joe the other day for a bit. Humming and hawing,not a lot to contribute.

    Dunno if this is his normal mode.



  • Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Contractors don’t get maternity pay , and I don’t think employers have to pay any maternity leave at all and employees go on social welfare as far as I know . I remember having a tight boss who realised how silly it was to pay maternity leave and stopped it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,089 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    It's only silly if you don't value your employees at all and don't mind having to train up new ones all the time when the existing ones get pissed off and leave for somewhere better.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 819 ✭✭✭alzer100


    Jesus, imagine Tubridy having to go on social welfare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,491 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,248 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Bank account overdrawn.

    Barter account 2 million.

    Its not dishonest cos they didnt ask him about barter accounts! Thats the kind of sleeveen we have here.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,447 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    There needs to be a much slimmed down public broadcaster (ad free, it's a conflict of interest) and anything commercial should be hived off. 



    To me there is a symbiosis between the kind of broadcaster you are envisaging and direct exchequer funding. It seems the only way a minority cultural institution like TG4 can be funded without arousing major pushback among the great majority who have little or no interest in what it puts out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,323 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    Need to start moving away from the concept of "broadcaster" I think and toward the idea of commissioning body or content funder. A body that provides subsidies to Irish productions which can then be sold to the various Irish platforms as well as internationally but does not broadcast the content themselves. I would see this as a small tightly controlled body purely focused on dramas, documentaries etc.; stuff that would not be commercially viable in the Irish market.

    Gameshows, copies of UK format shows, talkshows like the LLS would be purely for commercial outfits.

    My problem with maintaining a public service "broadcaster" is that it doesn't reflect the move towards online platforms. I could see it becoming a dinosaur happily consuming public funds paying staff salaries and pensions but where the public themselves have largely moved on.

    The great fear of maintaining relevance in the face of streaming services is the reason towards the push towards a blanket broadcasting charge by RTE insiders and at the same time why the public must resist it.

    The root cause of lax financial management, secret payments and general contempt for the public in RTE is because of the guaranteed license fee money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,491 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    RTE commercial should be separated and the licence fee is used purely to finance PSB and any station can throw the hats in the ring for the funding

    At the end of the day RTE do not produce anything of real value for all the money they get off us (how much different are they really to VM who get no licence fee money), entertainment is sorely lacking unless you think reality tv, talk shows and political progams is what people want 7 nights a week with the odd drama thrown in now and again. Look at the schedule for any week and pretty much all the prime time viewing is repeats, reality shows, British soaps and Fair City.

    Was going to say where exactly is all this money being spent but now we know...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,878 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Fine if RTÉ actually prodcuded games shows or quiz shows but they have done few and far between.

    I don't know if I like this concept or the idea of it been funded by the Exchqure, I like TG4 but some of its programming decisions are questionable just as much as RTÉ, exchequer funding doesn't help because the public don't notice it, at least with RTÉ get majority complain and expect something because the pay for it every year.

    I would however like to see Screen Ireland move away from new projects involving RTÉ. No reason for Screen Ireland not to work with Virgin Media, Sky and TG4.

    Normal People could have aired on any other national free to air channel IMO, including TG4, how much did RTÉ pay for it and how much does TG4 pay for imports.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,491 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    The issue with Exchequer funding, as I see it, is how can they justify the money going to one company with no other interested parties being considered - maybe that is why Revenue are not interested in collecting it, opens up a whole can of worms - with competition law maybe...?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    I don't think I've watched rte since bunny carr and his ilk were on.

    Couldn't watch the LLS for anything. There is nothing on rte I could be persuaded to watch even if I had it on my tv...which I don't. Never got saor viev. Never will.

    Am one of these fools who pays the tv licence...God help me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,295 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I rarely watch RTE and certainly not Tubs or Precious O'Callaghan. Can't stand them. I'd be in favour of closing down RTE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    What I can't comprehend is that, back in 1961, even with the Republic's small population, the government thought that one TV channel running for a few hours in the evening could not be funded with the licence fee without advertising.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 819 ✭✭✭alzer100


    Look, I don't normally comment in forums about anything political and to be honest I don't really have faith in any of the political parties whether it be FFG (because that's who they essentially are now) or SF. Since it's foundation RTE, in my view have always pushed the government's view and agendas through it's presentation of news and other current affairs programming. I find it's become more prevalent over the past 20-30 years. But to honest networks in the US are no different as with ABC, CBS and NBC touting the Dems and Fox news aggressively touting the GOP. Again, I believe RTE favour the views of parties such as Fianna Fail and Fine Gael, it's just what I have experienced since the time I could process this stuff, so having stated that I don't think the present government really want to change anything. I think just last week, Mr Tubridy was to MC an event conducted by Micheal Martin which I found to be particularly cozy, either the event was cancelled due to the ongoing situation at RTE or it went ahead without Tubridy, I'm not too sure. Either way, I always found Tubridy to be uncomfortably too close to Fianna Fail for my liking.

    RTE is a gravy train, yes. But I don't think it's any different than any other semi state controlled organisation and you can bet there is some underhanded stuff happening at present in other government semi controlled bodies. I'm with RoTelly regarding most of his suggestions for how RTE should be managed but I don't think that there is any political will to make radical changes.

    Regarding Ryan Tubridy, I really don't want to hear him on the Radio or see him on TV again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,878 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    TG4 and Screen Ireland both get exchequer funding, while neither produce content both get funding via the exchequer. So I don't think that should be the case.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,878 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I think you have to look to Radio Éireann, it had always some sponsored programmes. Government looked to that model to a certain degree, but removed TÉ from the control of P&T. Also some of the License fee was going to RÉ, so it wasn't just funding TÉ. (They merged in 1966 removing the Department from RÉ's management). And not everyone own a TV by 1961.

    You also have to remember that there was a lot of hostility toward TÉ, one example shows that a debate show on RTÉ had come to the agreement with politicians that the government of the day would debate their counterparts in opposition on the show (Decisions I think was the name of the show), some issue surrounding agriculture start and RTÉ invited the head of the IFA to debate with the Min of Agriculture (Charlie Haughey), Charlie wasn't too happy and pointed to the agreement, not sure if the debate went ahead, but this with other controversy caused RTÉ to start broadcasting 7DAYS which in turn fell fowl and was replaced by Today Tonight.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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