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Why is there so few open spaces / squares in Dublin?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 murphymick


    Deport Roma gypsies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,625 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The park by Patrick's Cathedral also does all the things a plaza does and its a lovely spot.

    In terms of a European style central plaza you just cannot create one. Any attempt to create one from scratch leads to some commercial looking lifeless zone like Smithfield.

    The closest we can come in Ireland is to pedestrianize streets that already have life and character.

    It's just a quirk of the style popular in the UK when many of our centres were built. C'est la vie



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,378 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,276 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Roma gypsies are not the reason for our lack of public spaces. Roma are all over Europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Because for all the talk about pedestrians having priority. There's almost no pedestrian crossings in the park that would give them priority. Opw had sat on its hands for years.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,263 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    let's assume the stereotype of OCS is true. why would that be? the only reason i am ever on it is because i'm getting on or off a bus; there's nothing to hold someone there regardless. so it's gone into a downward spiral where businesses other than newsagents/convenience stores won't bother opening there, and no-one uses it except for access to PT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,276 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    And so what though? It's never going to be a Champs Elysee type street with tourists drinking under canopies. I actually think they did a good job on the surface around the Spire etc. and it looks a lot better than it used to.

    It's currently just a street for buses and people passing through, so be it. Plenty of other nicer parts of town you can get something to eat or drink in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    People play all sorts of game to get into a school not in their area. Officially they might be in the area, but actually aren't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,276 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I always find it mad that people think the solution to these social problems is to make sure there are cars and traffic in the affected areas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,539 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Realistically, in order to do this you'd need to flatten and/or gentrify all the low-rise social housing areas that exist around the North end of O' Connell Street. Managed properly, it should be possible to do it in a close to cost neutral fashion (using the funds taken from developing lots of what should be high value inner city real estate to cover the development of much higher standard social housing out in the suburbs) but politically it's next to impossible as you'd have the community reps up in arms about it etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 602 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    I completely agree. There’s a particular naivety in thinking all it takes is a bit of imagination to create a plaza with the atmosphere of somewhere on the continent. My point about College Green is that there is an objective that would be accomplished even if people used it only to criss cross.

    And I also wholeheartedly agree with this, for related reasons! The gravity of the city has moved elsewhere. Of course we should continue to try to improve O’Connell Street by policing it better, enforcing directives on shop fronts, etc, but we should stop trying to reassert it as the central boulevard of city and just accept it for what it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,625 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Champs Elysees is crap anyway. It's mostly just big expensive international brands. The street is way too big to saunter over and back across the street to browse and mingle.

    Las Ramblas and Oxford St./Regent St. Are shockingly overrated too.

    Smaller fully or semi pedestrianized streets are far more attractive prospects. Temple Bar, Powerscourt and Chapel St. are all better suited if people want cafes on the street. Same goes for Quartier Latin, Soho or the Gothic Quarter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,276 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    To be fair I don't think anyone rates Oxford St, it's just tatty American candy and vape shops these days. Regent's Street is quite nice though apart from all the traffic. But yes, O'Connell St just is what it is, and it's grand, apart from the social problems but that's not the street's fault.

    If I want to enjoy Dublin city centre I just go to South William St and surrounds or the nice streets off Grafton St.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,383 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Remember that a lot of these European cities were bombed to absolute oblivion during the second world war, so they've been rebuilt in the last 70 or so years with lots of planning in mind.

    Dublin is more of a medieval styled organic sprawl that at no recent point had people sit down for a single cohesive planning vision for the whole thing.

    Saying that, I'm only a 10 minute walk from The Phoenix Park, absolutely great resource for anyone in it's vicinity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭satguy


    I donk think this could happen,, But they could be forced to keep at least 100 yards away from ATM machines ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,276 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I see this bombed thing mentioned a lot but what cities in particular are you talking about? Like take Hamburg for example, they suffered bombing on par with Dresden, but if you walk around Hamburg it was rebuilt to the same spec as it was previously, and there are public spaces everywhere there. Same with Koln and Munich. Polish cities too, they rebuilt them as they were, at least this is what it looks like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,773 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Here, the mindset now is … space = build something for someone on it. Housing or industrial units.

    Look at the beautiful Phoenix Park Racecourse ….

    an amenity for people ? Nope, A gargantuan ugly as sin, development.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,434 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Dublin has a decent selection of Georgian squares and little parks and publicly accessible options like Dublin Castle and Trinity Cricket Grounds.

    What it is lacking, is a grand square; a focal point for events and demonstrations, public concerts and celebrations.

    I don't think even a fully pedestrianised College Green will address that, its too irregular of a shape and has no natural focal point.

    Personally, I would turn the old canal basin at George's Quay into one, the spot that was identified for both white water rafting and a public Lido. Though I accept that it is not particularly central or surrounded with old architecture in the way some other grand squares might be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,625 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Which former public areas of Dublin were built on ?

    You make it sound like the place was once full of plazas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,625 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    George's Quay is just another lifeless Smithfield.

    You just cannot force an area to become a focal point.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,625 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    None of the big cafe lined boulevards and squares the OP was looking for arose from bombing. Most predate the bombs by 100+ years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭CreadanLady


    Phonix park only happened by accident. In fact, it is rather a marvel that it still exists and hadn't at some stage fallen victim to the usual cute hurr shenanigans between developers, planners and politicians. We're lucky it's not a shoddy surburban sprawl or an industrial estate, or a motorway.

    The MFV Creadan Lady is a mussel dredger from Dunmore East.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,263 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    beautiful? the racecourse?

    while there are arguments for keeping green space, it'd have been a tough sell when it was literally right beside the PP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 murphymick


    Remember that a lot of these European cities were bombed to absolute oblivion during the second world war

    Will people ever stop spouting this pure bollocks.

    Nearly all of the squares and the buildings therein I have mentioned predate the war.

    WWII was more than just “bombarding each other”.

    Which specific cities are you taking about BTW bar Dresden?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,773 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Why ? Could have been a civil amenity, another sporting facility or anything if the government had put their heads in gear….

    yes the area and amenity was jaded but it had a long standing beauty and historical impact…

    just to be ‘kept’, right…. The fight now is not to have more green spaces the fight is just to ‘keep’ what we have….

    Collinstown Park ? Sure do away with that 🙂 very close to Phoenix Park. Anything else ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,625 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Is it a marvel ?

    Is there or has there ever been many examples of public parks in Ireland destroyed by development.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,378 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,778 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I moved to Germany 18 months ago. And worked from home in Kildare for the previous two years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,778 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    You'd definitely have to have an increased police presence :D

    But there's so much space there that's not being used. There's so many possibilities.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,625 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I think people massively over hype the "dangerous" element to O'Connell St. and also look at similar European equivalents with very rose tinted glasses.



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