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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,944 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    "Biden is not respected around the world"

    Eh.. Really???

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    If anyone needs to "Step out of their bubble" it's you.

    Seriously - Talk to other people.....



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,944 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    If the choice is between Biden and Trump , Biden wins in a landslide.

    Not saying Biden is perfect , I never have but if those are the choices then it won't even be remotely close.

    Biden will win by a larger margin than he did in 2020



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,318 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Doubtful. The worry would be more that after four years out of office, the stink of Trump isn't so badly in people's noses that they don't rush out to the polls and vote against him, while Trump hangs onto his base, plus whatever moderates voted for him last time who don't like Biden and are all in with the senility idea. Apathy is a dangerous thing and it's been cited along with complacence as a major reason why Clinton lost to Trump in 2016. It feels like some of the same mistakes are fixing to be repeated for Trump/Biden 2. There can be no complacency when it comes to keeping Trump out of office. It can't be relied upon for stupid words and scandals to sink him. Every last Democrat voter and right-thinking moderate must vote in order to ensure he doesn't get another term.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,944 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Approval ratings are not voting intentions.

    I've said this before , but put it this way - I'm not thrilled with how the current Government are doing here in Ireland and if asked to give them a grade I'd give them a pretty low score.

    However , when the election comes around there isn't a snowballs chance in hell that I'll vote for Sinn Fein no matter how unhappy I might be with FG/FF right now.

    The same applies to the US - People might not be thrilled with Biden and how things currently are (although lots of his efforts are now beginning to show results so I think the landscape is likely to improve for him on that front) but when presented with the choice of Trump or Biden , most are still going to choose Biden.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    I can't see it myself.

    Biden's goose is cooked at this point. Too many Americans have lost faith in his competency and mental fitness for the job.

    I think Trump wins it.

    I wouldn't like to speculate on what the margin of victory would be, but I can't see any realistic chance of Biden getting back in...



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,534 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,061 ✭✭✭BailMeOut



    what you did not say is that there will most likely be a lot more people you know who voted for Trump that will never vote for him again and that number will far outnumber your Biden friends 'considering' voting the other way.

    Say what you want about Biden but history is going to treat him very well as legislatively he will go down as one of the most successful presidents ever and you need to go back to Roosevelt to find anyone more productive in their first term.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,620 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Mad isn't it, they didn't ask about voting intentions... just asked all these other questions.

    Among registered voters, Biden led Trump, his predecessor as president, by six percentage points in a hypothetical match-up, 44% to 38%, holding an advantage that has opened up in recent few months.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-maintains-edge-over-trump-2024-us-election-reutersipsos-poll-2023-05-16/

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,313 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭Beefcake82


    as a political bargaining chip it would help getting certain things passed by the GOP. Biden would be seen as gracious by his own party bolstering support. Then finally Trump would be humiliated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Bargaining chip with his unindicted congressional coconspirators, the ones who claim to be the Party of Law and Order, nobody is above the law, etc., who have pleaded the fifth or defied subpoenas and even sought their own Pardons for January 6th?

    Dunno where you came from with all this stuff but please keep it up, I'd love to hear about all the leftover straws to clutch.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,944 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Exactly -

    Like I said , "I'm not happy with the current guy" is absolutely categorically not the same as "I will vote for the other guy".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,313 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Trump would have to admit his wrong and accept a pardon from Biden.

    In a million years, that would never happen.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,101 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I know quite a few people on boards whose "anecdotes" conveniently match their fringe world views.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    'yeah why is everyone talking about a POTUS leaking a ton of nuclear and defense information and not about the rhetorical doomsday clock?'




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    That caller is making a mess of his points.

    But the basic premise of what he's talking about is true.

    I remember all the talk on the left back in 2016, about Trump being a dangerous loose cannon sort of person who couldn't be trusted with nuclear weapons or not to start a world war etc etc. And yet, it's under Biden's watch that the world has been taken closer to the brink of Armageddon - not Trump.

    And this is something the American voting public are acutely aware of right now. Biden is seen by many people, as a dangerously incompetent leader who is flirting with the prospect of nuclear annihilation. Trump actually looks like a safer pair of hands right now to quite a lot of people by comparison.

    (I know nothing about the host of that show, or what his views were back in 2016 btw - so I can't speak on the specifics of their conversation in that regard)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Trump leaked nuclear defense information, in and out of office. I'm not sure what alternative reality you and your totally real voter friends are on. Trump is seen by many more people, as a dangerously incompetent leader who was literally flirting with a dictator threatening the prospect of nuclear annihilation. Many of my friends who voted for Trump in 2016 say they would never do so again, some only voted against Hillary (Chiefly, about her handling of classified information). What part of the caller's incoherent nonsense are you alleging is true and can you prove it?

    Trump actually looks like a safer pair of hands right now to quite a lot of people by comparison.

    Bet: make the comparison and see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,620 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Biden, dangerously incompetent? Sure? How many of them voted for him last time round and aren't hardcode MAGA heads?

    More dangerous than the guy treated classified documents like a photo book and showing his mates?

    More dangerous than the guy who whipped up his hardcode base into a frenzy that led to the storming of the capital?

    More incompetent than the guy who incriminates himself when he opens his mouth?

    Biden is 'flirting with the prospect of nuclear annihilation'? Ah no he isn't. HE is standing by US commitments to its allies and in the Budapest agreement, by aiding Ukraine and deterring Russia from attacking it with nuclear weapons.

    Red flag is the use of the phrase "many people"

    A weasel word, or anonymous authority, is an informal term for words and phrases aimed at creating an impression that something specific and meaningful has been said, when in fact only a vague or ambiguous claim has been communicated. Examples include the phrases "some people say", "it is thought", and "researchers believe". Using weasel words may allow one to later deny any specific meaning if the statement is challenged, because the statement was never specific in the first place.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel_word

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Here are some other times Trump utterly disregarded the security and safety of human sources and protected methods, along with the destruction of Presidential Records.




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,534 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    That's absurd. Democrats despise Trump. There's nothing more that they or myself would love more than to see this vile, orange abomination of a man locked away for the rest of his days for his treason and corruption. There's nothing weaker Biden could do than pander to such a creature.

    Lock him up.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    "How the hell could you pardon Nixon?"

    America has seen what the GOP has allowed itself to devolve into since it effectively got a slap on the wrist for Watergate: breaking and entering, espionage, deletion of presidential records, obstruction of justice, etc. etc. and that was just Nixon, nevermind Iran Contra, Enron, any of the crap in the middle, now we're at Trump going to the Nixon defense on fentanyl "when the POTUS does it it's not illegal" (Nixon accepted a pardon, a contrite admission of criminal guilt). I don't at all see America making this same mistake again, and Republicans are pissing on an electric fence if they think making the 2024 election about pardoning Donald Trump isn't going to result in monumental, opposed, voter turnout. Nixon's pardon deterred fuxk all and it's time to correct that:




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,944 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Again , you started off with some truth and then veered off into Right wing fantasy.

    I remember all the talk on the left back in 2016, about Trump being a dangerous loose cannon sort of person who couldn't be trusted with nuclear weapons or not to start a world war etc etc.

    Correct , points that are still valid today , instead now they are backed up with hard evidence - He CANNOT be trusted with anything , he'll show anyone anything if it makes him feel important.

    Then the fantasy begins.

    it's under Biden's watch that the world has been taken closer to the brink of Armageddon - not Trump.

    And this is something the American voting public are acutely aware of right now. Biden is seen by many people, as a dangerously incompetent leader who is flirting with the prospect of nuclear annihilation. Trump actually looks like a safer pair of hands right now to quite a lot of people by comparison.

    None of that is true , unless by "many people" you mean "MAGA Voters" then it sort of becomes true or at least it's true in their minds.

    And there is absolutely nowhere outside of the absolute darkest fringes of MAGA-World where Trump is considered a "safer pair of hands" by anyone for anything.

    He couldn't be trusted to watch a kettle boil without f*cking it up (and blaming it on someone else).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Correlation doesn't equal causation.


    Where are you reading that the two are related?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,944 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Agree completely,

    This idea that people should show some kind of olive branch to the GOP for "national unity" or something is just nonsense , they'd take that branch and try to beat an immigrant to death with it.

    Crush Trump under the full weight of the law and he take can the rest of the sycophantic snakes in the GOP with him.

    I have absolutely no doubt that when it comes down to it, Trump will hang multiple members of the GOP out to dry to try and save himself.

    He will attack people like Cruz and Graham along with toads like Jim Jordan and Comer - He'll threaten them with anything and everything as he flails about trying to survive and he won't stop for a second before he destroys them and large swathes of the GOP while he does it.

    November 2024 could be very very ugly for the GOP indeed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    This idea that people should show some kind of olive branch to the GOP for "national unity" or something is just nonsense , they'd take that branch and try to beat an immigrant to death with it.

    Simply not possible as proven by the Obama administration and the policy of obstructionism by the GOP. Before social media really boomed, this approach generally worked: people just heard on the radio, **** wasn't being done and Rush says it's Obama's fault, they don't look into it or read what goes on in Congress.

    For both the Obama and Biden presidencies the Republicans utterly scoffed at the idea of any unity or compromise or good governance, the religious crazies had utterly started to gobble up the GOP by the end of 2008 with most red voters hyped up on vapors that Obama was a muslim alien, an even larger portion of the base was freaking out about Great Replacement Theory (ie. the end of white leadership in the United States), 'the GOP had NO business governing with someone like that or making them look good, no sir.' Thus how the TEA Movement swept the 2010 midterms, and has systemically started pushing out the centrists in the party ever since, every centrist is a RINO you see. There's been a decade+ McCarthyist (the other one) purge of the party going on for a while, and at the moment we even see where the dominant MAGA personalities are literally holding the vestiges of centrism in the GOP hostage to their demands (which don't include making Biden's government run smoothly).

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,383 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I just feel sorry for Trump fans still cheering him.

    Cults do a serious number on some folk and they just never recover back to any sort of normal life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,507 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    I said trump was asked to take the cognitive and he took it and passed. I'm saying other presidents (Biden, Bush, Obama) were not asked, have you evidence to the contrary to backup you calling other posters a liar? (myself and Quin_Dub).



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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    He was their great hope of truly owning the libs once and for all. That’s literally all it was.



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