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Near Misses Thread Volume 2 (So close you can feel it)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,283 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    The past two consecutive mornings dopey motorists drove out in front of me at the first roundabout in the Phoenix Park. I was coming from Farmleigh direction and taking the 3rd exit onto Chesterfield Avenue while the motorists were continuing straight from Castleknock Gate. On both occasions I was covered in the fabled high-vis, had a strong front light that I use year round and was even signaling but of no benefit when the sleepy motorists don’t look and yield. I let a roar and on both occasions get a startled look as if I’d descended from space to magically appear at the drivers door.  The first driver got such a fright she nearly left the road and I thought she was going to take the first exit and d-tour down the North Road instead, however after the initial swerve she then took a second attempt at trying to strike me down. At least the second driver this morning apologised with use of the park anywhere lights after I’d braked and let him continue with his maneuver.

    One of the worst sections of my commute despite it being a small narrow roundabout with a 30km/h limit. That and the section opposite Liberty Hall on the quays with drivers trying to swerve from both lanes taking a left prior to the Custom House, at least that section is helped recently with some bollard placement just after O’Connell bridge so I take the lane there from the bridge now instead of just from the Luas tracks previously.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,176 ✭✭✭Idleater


    I have had similar on the south circular Road where there are 2 bus stops on either side of the road. When there is a bus stopped at either or both, some traffic _must_ overtake, leaving me with just enough room.

    The other day, I moved right, towards the centre of the road and the oncoming car "had to" stop. He glared and pointed madly at me, not realizing (or I wish he would realize) that what he was complaining about me doing is exactly what he wanted to do i.e. drive at someone on the other side of the road an make them stop.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,173 ✭✭✭fatbhoy


    As for the lane - the left lane goes left at the end of the road. The right lane goes right. I want to go right, that's why I'm in that lane. It's the same reason the car is in the right-hand lane.

    Then if it was me, I'd have been hugging the rightmost side of the right lane, to allow traffic to overtake me.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,173 ✭✭✭fatbhoy


    I disagree. First of all, it's not advice: it's me saying what I'd do. Secondly, if I hug the right, a car in the RH lane can overtake me on the inside easily (bad driving, dangerous driving? what are you talking about). The important difference with between what I'd do and what's in the video is that I'm less inconvenient to the drivers, which is something that's often overlooked by entitled cyclists; it's important to maintain good vibes between drivers and cyclists, and vice-versa. When I come to the point that the two lanes diverge, then I can begin to choose the point at which I move back to the LH side of the lane, if I even need to do that. I've been cycling a long time in the city of Dublin, almost daily, and I can handle myself well in traffic. I seldom have near misses, and when I do I don't come on websites to whinge about it, instead I get on with my life.

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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,579 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,283 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    Really? It's seriously annoying and has the term shoaling. It's rampant on the quays in Dublin which is plagued with out of sequence traffic lights every few hundred meters and narrow cycle lanes (where they exist) making overtaking difficult. I don't so much mind it from the electric bike brigade who take off with gusto and clear a path but the Dublin bike users who force their way to the top and break lights to toddle along at 10km/h in a form of rolling road block are a different matter.

    I'm not a fast cyclist but have had words with various cyclists who I've repeatedly overtaken along a short stretch of road, not one were able to explain why they push their way to the top of the queue of other cyclists.

    Above is regarding other cyclists waiting at lights, I generally always filter past motorised traffic and wait in the advance bike box areas when safe to do so. A cyclist of any ability will always be faster than cars, vans, buses etc along heavily built up areas with poor light sequences such as the Dublin quays.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,283 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    Words weren't about the cyclists being slow (I've no problem with anyone doing whatever speed that suits them). The problem is when those cyclists jump the queue at lights (often breaking said lights) and then cause an obstruction since there's no easy means of overtaking them again given the constrained space available. Usually cycling in the cycle lane along the quays involves everyone reduced to the slowest denominator which is fine but when you do get a chance to overtake you shouldn't have to pass that same cyclist multiple times again if proper etiquette was adhered with.

    Anyway back to the thread subject. Been relatively quite of late and really liking the new road surface and segregated cycle lane just after O'Connell bridge, big improvement. However that didn't stop a driver this morning undertaking traffic and going up the cycle instead, same driver cut back into the overtaking lane at the luas crossing but then encroached in on top of me as I was cycling towards Liberty Hall, had to slap the side of the car as the multiple lights and high vis obviously weren't enough.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,458 ✭✭✭cletus


    Not a close pass, just stupid driving. Heading down to buy a sliced pan in my local Centra.

    I signal my intent to turn at a junction where I'm taking a left, oncoming vehicle indicating right, just before I start my turn, the wan in the car indicating right darts across the road in front of me.

    I brake, and she comes to a complete stop, before indicating right again, and parking contraflow (which I think should be illegal anyway) right on the corner of the junction.

    I contemplated saying something, but as I looked at her I realised my presence hadn't even registered with her.

    A picture is worth a thousand words, so here's a Google maps image of the junction, and the pin is where she parked.

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,340 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I had this one a few days ago on Windmill Hill near Rathcoole. The road narrows to a narrow country lane where they started to overtake plus it had been raining heavily and the surface was wet. I also note the N sticker on the car.

    Yesterday in my estate, a driver coming around the bend towards me was looking straight at me but didn't seem to see me. I was watching her as I approached and had to pull into the turn on the left as I knew her line wasn't going to change, which it didn't - I'll look for the car later today and have a discreet word (this is just a photo!)...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,236 ✭✭✭Breezer


    I originally posted this one last December. The driver tried her best to give me the run around, but her insurance company has now accepted full liability and is refunding me for the damage to my Garmin, lights etc. and the cost of the physiotherapy for my injuries. I didn’t pursue a full blown personal injury claim. Part of me wishes I had because the driver made things difficult for me, but I’m mostly just happy it’s dealt with. I’m healed up, not out of pocket, and the driver will have a nice reminder to look where she’s going the next few times she renews her insurance.

    Apologies again for the language. That tarmac hurt!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,733 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Delighted to hear that, looked like a nasty fall, hope you're doing alright!

    Special mention too to the dickhead stopped in the yellow box she was trying to go around.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,733 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Cars turning right as I have a green light to go through a junction drives me absolutely insane.

    The worst junction for it on my daily commute is just at the bottom of Leeson Street before you hit the canal.

    If I'm cycling on a green and it's just me, no other cars in my lane, there's a 50/50 chance that silver car below is going to take this red path as I approach, as if I'm not there at all.

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    When I approach that junction, I either hope the light turns red or there's a bus ahead of me that I can catch up on and use as a shield. Actually say to myself 'oh ffs, here we go' if I'm approaching on a green.

    Literally lost count at the amount of close calls I've had there. I'd say I get someone cut across in that red path once every two days at least.

    Has resulted in everything from me having to hammer on and almost go over the handlebars while they go on their merry way, to both of us hammering on and stopping in the middle of the junction, to people seeing me last minute and swerving like lunatics.

    Worst actually is when a car goes across the red line who actually had enough time to go across before I approached but then a stream of cars blindly follows him, straight into me and I've to hammer on my brakes.

    Rant over but yeah, be careful at that junction, it can be a bit hairy during the morning rush.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,458 ✭✭✭cletus


    Would that be the cycle land with the car parked in it?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,458 ✭✭✭cletus


    I don't know if you cycle at all, but if there's an obstruction in your lane, you're safer moving out of it nice and early, rather than just at the point of obstruction, as drivers may not be expecting such a manoeuvre.


    This is all aside from the fact that there's no legal obligation on the cyclist to be in the lane at all.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,458 ✭✭✭cletus


    Or drivers could not overtake into oncoming traffic, thereby obeying the rules of the road, those same rules that state that cyclists are part of traffic, not obstructions to traffic.

    It has already been pointed out why he was not in the cycle lane, there was an obstruction ahead. Waiting until the last minute before changing lanes would most likely lead to that often used claim that " the cyclist appeared out of nowhere"

    In fact that's just one reason not to use cycle lanes that are provided. Others include the quality of the surface, and the fact that cycle lanes often don't go where the cyclist is going.


    You claim that oncoming traffic is not an issue, despite it clearly being stated as such in law.

    (2) A driver shall not overtake, or attempt to overtake, unless the roadway ahead of the driver—

    ( a ) is free from approaching traffic, pedestrians and any obstruction, and

    ( b ) is sufficiently long and wide to permit the overtaking to be completed without danger or inconvenience to other traffic or pedestrians.


    Could I ask, do you have any experience cycling in towns and cities using roads and cycle lanes, or is it just what you observe from your car

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,458 ✭✭✭cletus


    I'll say it again. Cyclists are part of traffic, not obstructions to it. A cyclist bears no responsibility for the actions of a driver overtaking, any more than another car, or a bus, or a tractor, or any other vehicle in traffic. There is no obligation whatsoever to use a cycling lane.

    As regards your cycling bikes in Dublin, at what point would you have left the cycling lane in that situation?

    Hand signals are grand, but being in the sight line of drivers in your lane is safer than switching lanes. The cyclist in the video above passed the illegally parked car safely. The driver who overtook him did not do so safely

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,458 ✭✭✭cletus


    But did you not see that they "commute by bike to and from work whenever I am in up in Dublin, and use my bike for other errands as it beats travelling by car unless I have passengers."

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,863 ✭✭✭✭crosstownk


    I honestly think that in the example above the cyclist had ample opportunity to move left, let the car behind pass, then move right to pass the parked vehicle. I think the cyclist correctly took the lane when overtaking parked vehicles but missed an opportunity to share the road when cycling between the two parked vehicles - especially when the distance between the two parked vehicles is considered.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,863 ✭✭✭✭crosstownk


    Maybe. I'm giving my opinion based on what the video shows but the reality may have been somewhat different so the benefit of doubt applies. Irrespective of what actions the cyclist should or could have taken, the onus is on the vehicle behind to play it safe. The driver could have handled it better too.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    I call custard on your claim to ever actually cycle @Sono Topolino

    Nobody who hates cyclists enough to cycle through ALL the old tropes could actually be a cyclist themselves.

    Person in a car is my suspicion.

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,340 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    This is expressly recommended in the RSA's "rules of the road". The slower vehicle should keep left to give the faster vehicle an opportunity to pass safely. Given that everyone here is of the opinion that cyclists are part of the traffic, then they should at least honour the spirit of the rules of the road.

    I'm just going to pick up on this one: can you show where exactly in the ROTR it says that cyclists should move left to allow people to overtake safely when it actually states that cyclists may use "Primary Position" for their safety...

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    There is nothing that says that drivers can overtake when there is insufficient space or if they may endanger someone. What is does say and you failed to mention in your biased response is the following...

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    But maybe I've looked at the wrong excerpts so do feel free to correct me!

    https://www.rsa.ie/docs/default-source/road-safety/r1---rules-of-the-road/ruleoftheroad_book-for-web.pdf?sfvrsn=b5d57830_7

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,340 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Page 199 states that cyclists must keep left while keeping clear of the kerb. On left hand side of the road there is a cycle lane provided for this purpose. Again, these are just "guidelines" and are not enforceable.

    You're joining two of their points into one.

    The Keep Left recommendation is general advice and the bullet point about it on pg199 directly follows their advice that at times, people on bikes will use Primary Position in the centre of the road for their safety.

    The piece you took regarding the kerb states "Keep clear of the kerb – riding clear will make you more visible and help reduce unsafe overtaking." so this doesn't mean keep to the left of the lane.

    I would also point out that the book refers to keeping left several times and whilst it isn't clear on its intent, it does advise that people driving also keep left. However, when it says more about this, it is referring to the left lane rather than left of lane.

    Either way, none of this advises that the cyclist in the video that you jumped in to criticise should have done anything differently. Again, maybe you can point out where the book (or even better, the law itself ) says that they should have done something differently.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,458 ✭✭✭cletus


    Not a near miss, but a fella in a van was in such a hurry to pass me this evening, he had to drive alongside me to tell me and my mate we should be cycling single file

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭secman


    Not me... saw a female cyclist down on Walkinstown roundabout this morning. Was being tended to by a few people. Was talking, hopefully not serious and only bruised and shock. Didn't see the incident. But I did encounter 2 motorists who saw me coming , totally under estimated my speed and pulled out in front of me, causing me to brake hard enough ☹️

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,173 ✭✭✭buffalo


    This morning was my first time commuting by bike since pre-pandemic I think. Naturally, within five minutes of leaving the house I was nearly squished by a large white van man*. I should've been more alert given that he'd just performed a needless overtake to join a line of traffic, but as I overtook said line of traffic on the left he flicked on the indicator at the same time as he pulled left into a parking spot.

    I was about halfway along the van, but thankfully carrying a bit of speed so as I saw the wheel turn I was able to accelerate and swerve in to the left and avoid any collision. I think my shout of fear must've made him stop as well.

    I passed the next car still **** roaring, and actually stopped up ahead to let that driver know it wasn't him because he looked a little put out at all the shouting, but holy **** I haven't had one that close in a long time.

    The rest of the cycle was lovely.


    *the van was large, not the man. Though he was well-built.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭secman


    I've been advocating for years that it should be part of your driving test to cycle in traffic for 1 km.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭secman


    From Tallaght bypass to Crooksling would be a good stretch, and anywhere near Walkinstown roundabout, but you must navigate around it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,595 ✭✭✭JMcL


    Report him. Might go nowhere, but might get him a flea in the ear.

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,340 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Had a very close one this evening on a group spin. Heading from past Killeen golf club near Sallins, I was at the front of the group. We all were aware of someone driving behind the group for a few minutes but they had had a few opportunities to pass safely so seemed content to stay behind.

    As we approached Devonshire Bridge over the Grand Canal which is a narrow bridge at a slight chicane angle to the road (rendering it almost single file), I raced on ahead to check for oncoming traffic.

    Your man behind decided that this was the right time to overtake and as I was about to ascend the bridge, I saw the car come alongside me system is say I was doing maybe 45-50km/h. He seemed to hesitate but then gunned it up the bridge alongside me. However he went diagonally over the bridge which meant that as he was driving over the bridge he was getting closer to me so naturally I pulled on the brakes. As he was exiting the bridge (and I was rapidly slowing beside him) there was probably just a few centimetres between him and I, and between me and the stone wall. I actually thought I was going to be squeezed into the wall and not really sure how I managed to avoid it. This all happened in maybe three or four seconds but the other eight in the group also thought I was getting minced. However, all I got of the prick's reg was "222" and the others were too busy watching it to get the details.

    I presume he seriously underestimated the road and exercised extremely poor judgement (the solid while line kinda should have been a giveaway nonetheless) and strangely, I've had so many stupid drivers do things that I'm not really fazed about it. What kinda annoys me more is that I know that even had I got the full reg and brought it to the attention to AGS, because I wasn't killed, I've confidence in saying that the likelihood is that nothing would come of it!

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/VaGQDPQLdST2fd95A

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭secman


    Unfortunately another fatality today

    "Gardaí have launched an investigation into a fatal crash that claimed the life of a cyclist in Co Clare today"

    RIP 🙏

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