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Yo Compute Me

red_bairn · 2014-11-14 09:17:29

1. What is your budget? €750 Max 2. What will be the main purpose of the computer? Mainly Gaming, some web development, coding /CS:S /CSGO /Sid Meier's Civilization V /Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas 2 /DOTA2 3. Do you need a copy of Windows? No 4. Can you use any parts from an old computer? No. (Well I have a spare HDD…

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1. What is your budget? €750 Max

2. What will be the main purpose of the computer? Mainly Gaming, some web development, coding

/CS:S
/CSGO
/Sid Meier's Civilization V
/Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas 2
/DOTA2

3. Do you need a copy of Windows? No

4. Can you use any parts from an old computer? No. (Well I have a spare HDD 1TB - So won't need that. Just an SSD)

5. Do you need a monitor? No

5b. If no, what resolution is your current monitor and do you plan to upgrade in the near future? 1920x1080 & Possibly

6. Do you need any of these peripherals? Wireless Card

7. Are you willing to try overclocking? Sure

8. How can you pay? Debit/Credit Card

9. When are you purchasing? Before Christmas?

10. If you need help building it, where are you based? Greystones

Edit: The external hard drive which I can add to the build is similar to this one

I would just use the HDD for storing all the files including my User folders. Will leave the Steam folder on there as well and install the OS on SSD.

Edit2: Higher Budget (Prev:600). Bank Holiday money

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#2 14-11-2014 10:48AM

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My suggestion:

http://www.hardwareversand.de/en/Midi/159414/Zalman+Z11+Plus+HF1+mit+Sichtfenster%2C+ohne+Netzteil.article
http://www.hardwareversand.de/en/1600+Low+Voltage/125974/8GB-Kit+Crucial+Ballistix+Sport+Series+DDR3-1600%2C+CL9.article
http://www.hardwareversand.de/en/400+-+500+Watts/74426/Corsair+CX+Series+Modular+CX500M%2C+500W.article
http://www.hardwareversand.de/en/S-ATA/101094/Samsung+SH-224DB+schwarz.article
http://www.hardwareversand.de/en/2048+MB/104690/ASUS+GTX660-DC2OCPH-2GD5+DirectCU+II+OC+216mm%2C+GeForce+GTX+660%2C+2GB+GDDR5%2C+2x+DVI%2C+HDMI%2C+DisplayPort.article
http://www.hardwareversand.de/en/DDR3/169025/ASRock+Z97+Pro4%2C+Sockel+1150%2C+ATX.article
http://www.hardwareversand.de/en/Sockel+1150/173606/Intel+Pentium+G3258+Anniversary+Edition+Box%2C+1150.article
http://www.hardwareversand.de/en/Intel+AMD/59387/Cooler+Master+Hyper+212+EVO++-+Intel+AMD.article
http://www.hardwareversand.de/en/Solid-State-Disk/169180/Crucial+MX100+SSD+128GB+%282%2C5%2C+7mm%29.article

Overclock that processor to get i3 like performance for cheaper.

Save some money by using Geizhals.de

Link to Geizhals: www.geizhals.de

How to use: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056907965

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#3 14-11-2014 03:49PM

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I won't need a optical drive. I removed it on my laptop to add the HDD and used an SSD in the place for the HDD.

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#4 14-11-2014 04:01PM

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Ah, well I always include one just for the convenience.

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#5 15-11-2014 01:08PM

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Ninjah Tigah wrote: »

Ah, well I always include one just for the convenience.

Ah yeah, no problem.

I'm considering a similar build like the one that Raphael quoted from Bloodbath.

The HDD that I have would be slower than the SATA 6Gb/s one that he quoted in that post. Would that really matter considering I would just use it for everything else but the OS files/folders?

NOTE: Higher Budget (Prev:600).

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#6 15-11-2014 01:23PM

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red_bairn wrote: »

Ah yeah, no problem.

I'm considering a similar build like the one that Raphael quoted from Bloodbath.

The HDD that I have would be slower than the SATA 6Gb/s one that he quoted in that post. Would that really matter considering I would just use it for everything else but the OS files/folders?

Well, if you already have a hard-drive and you're happy enough with that one then that's fine for you, as long as it's not going to be your os drive. - Which the ssd is for.

At the 700 euro mark that build is very good for an mATX build. Keep in mind though that there wont be all that much room for upgrading. Two DIMM slots, 1 x PCIe 2.0 x16 slot(although I very much doubt you'll be doing crossfire anyway) :P

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#7 15-11-2014 01:35PM

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Ninjah Tigah wrote: »

Well, if you already have a hard-drive and you're happy enough with that one then that's fine for you, as long as it's not going to be your os drive. - Which the ssd is for.

I edited the OP so you should see the one I'm on about. I'll use the SSD for the OS and have the My Documents, My Music etc on the HDD as well. It's the same way that I have my laptop set up.

Ninjah Tigah wrote: »

At the 700 euro mark that build is very good for an mATX build. Keep in mind though that there wont be all that much room for upgrading. Two DIMM slots, 1 x PCIe 2.0 x16 slot(although I very much doubt you'll be doing crossfire anyway) :P

I can't see myself using a load of graphics card unless I had loads of monitors thinking I was in the Matrix or working in film editing. :pac:

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#8 17-11-2014 08:27PM

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Would it be too much to go for an i7? Or is it too much for what I'd be doing?

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#9 18-11-2014 03:49PM

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i7 is overkill for that price range build in my opinion.

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#10 25-11-2018 01:56AM

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I'm thinking of upgrading my current rig but I believe the MBD / new build would require a ATX case, is that correct?

Userbenchmark PC Build Comparison
Baseline Bench: Game 72%, Desk 89%, Work 68%
CPU: Intel Core i5-9600K €211
GPU: AMD RX 580 €171
SSD: Crucial MX100 128GB €64
HDD: Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000.C 1TB €43
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws V DDR4 2400 C15 2x8GB €90
MBD: MSI Z370-A PRO (MS-7B48) €77
Total: €656

Current Setup:-

Alternative Bench: Game 57%, Desk 58%, Work 36%
CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 €163
GPU: AMD R9 290 €343
SSD: Crucial MX100 128GB €64
HDD: Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000.C 1TB €43
RAM: Crucial Ballistix Sport DDR3 1600 C9 2x4GB
MBD: Asrock H81M-HDS €49
Total: €662

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#11 25-11-2018 05:03AM

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i5-9600K costs €260-275, not €211
In fact, where did you even get these prices from? CPU, GPU, RAM & motherboard are all below anything I can find.
RAM: Don't buy DDR4-2400 for a high-spec Intel CPU. You want to be getting at least DDR4-2800 speed.
Motherboard: If buying 9th-gen CPU, avoid the hassle of BIOS updates on Z370 -- choose a Z390 chipset instead.
You also left out a CPU cooler, which is an additional expense with that CPU.

Alternatively, since you are only going for RX580, don't waste money on an i5-9600K - get a Ryzen 5-2600 on B450 motherboard.

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#12 25-11-2018 09:37AM

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Honestly, I would just replace your 4440 with a 2nd hand i7-4790 for €120 and spend the rest of the money on a GTX1070 / 1070Ti / Vega 64. Will be a way bigger upgrade in games.

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#13 26-11-2018 04:17PM

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TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Honestly, I would just replace your 4440 with a 2nd hand i7-4790 for €120 and spend the rest of the money on a GTX1070 / 1070Ti / Vega 64. Will be a way bigger upgrade in games.

Yeah,the idea was just to upgrade the CPU but you mean 4460.

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#14 26-11-2018 04:30PM

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TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Honestly, I would just replace your 4440 with a 2nd hand i7-4790 for €120 and spend the rest of the money on a GTX1070 / 1070Ti / Vega 64. Will be a way bigger upgrade in games.

I have a Raijintek Themis CPU Air Cooler with 120mm Fan. Would this be enough for that CPU?

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#15 26-11-2018 04:36PM

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red_bairn wrote: »

I have a Raijintek Themis CPU Air Cooler with 120mm Fan. Would this be enough for that CPU?

I just relised I'll need to get another PSU.

"Nvidia recommends a quality 600W PSU."-(http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-3464647/500w-1080ti-4790.html)

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#16 26-11-2018 04:41PM

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Userbenchmark PC Build Comparison
Baseline Bench: Game 87%, Desk 70%, Work 49%
CPU: Intel Core i7-4790 €265
GPU: Nvidia GTX 1070 €258
SSD: Crucial MX100 128GB €64
HDD: Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000.C 1TB €43
RAM: Crucial Ballistix Sport DDR3 1600 C9 2x4GB
MBD: Asrock H81M-HDS €49
Total: €678

Alternative Bench: Game 57%, Desk 59%, Work 36%
CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 €163
GPU: AMD R9 290 €343
SSD: Crucial MX100 128GB €64
HDD: Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000.C 1TB €43
RAM: Crucial Ballistix Sport DDR3 1600 C9 2x4GB
MBD: Asrock H81M-HDS €49
Total: €662

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#17 26-11-2018 05:05PM

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red_bairn wrote: »

I just relised I'll need to get another PSU.

"Nvidia recommends a quality 600W PSU."-(http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-3464647/500w-1080ti-4790.html)

600W is overkill honestly, a GTX 1070 system will draw under 300W at peak load (that's full-system, not GPU power draw)

The main advantage of an overkill PSU is that it will be silent at loads like that.
You could get an EVGA G2/G3 650W for €85 if you want; or a Corsair TX-M 550W for €74.

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#18 26-11-2018 05:24PM

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red_bairn wrote: »

I just relised I'll need to get another PSU.

"Nvidia recommends a quality 600W PSU."-(http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-3464647/500w-1080ti-4790.html)

If you are currently running a 290, you will be fine with a GTX 1070. I have i7 3770 and a 1070 running on a decent 450W with no issues

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#19 26-11-2018 06:14PM

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Yeah the 290 is way more power hungry than the 1070. PSU requirements are always over-stated to account for people using crap quality PSU's. It's common to see cards that draw 50w 'recommend' a 500w PSU even though the full system wouldn't draw more than about 150w under 100% load.

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#20 26-11-2018 06:57PM

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Where is everyone shopping from these days since hardwareversand.de has dropped off the scene?

I have bookmarks for NewEgg, Komplett, Overclockers, and Scan although I got a feeling that you folk might know of some places with killer offers.

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#21 26-11-2018 10:46PM

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red_bairn wrote: »

Where is everyone shopping from these days since hardwareversand.de has dropped off the scene?

I have bookmarks for NewEgg, Komplett, Overclockers, and Scan although I got a feeling that you folk might know of some places with killer offers.

Overclockers, Scan, CCL & AmazonUK (in no particular order).

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#22 26-11-2018 11:11PM

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red_bairn wrote: »

I have a Raijintek Themis CPU Air Cooler with 120mm Fan. Would this be enough for that CPU?

Would this CPU cooler be fine for the newer CPU?

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#23 27-11-2018 12:03AM

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red_bairn wrote: »

Would this CPU cooler be fine for the newer CPU?

Easily. Stock cooler would be fine

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#24 11-06-2023 11:45PM

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Looking at getting a new rig perhaps at the end of the year or early next year.
I want to get an ATX case as well since I find the mini ATX a bit hard to work around. Not gonna require the HDD since the 500GB of the SSD should be enough. Looking to have a quite up-to-date CPU but this might be a bit too pricey but may drop by the end of the year.

Old Build:
Userbenchmark PC Build Comparison
Baseline Bench: Game 59%, Desk 78%, Work 49%
CPU: Intel Core i7-4790 €129
GPU: Nvidia GTX 1070 €172
SSD: Crucial MX100 128GB €64
HDD: Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000.C 1TB €42
RAM: Crucial Ballistix Sport DDR3 1600 C9 2x4GB
MBD: Asrock H81M-HDS €126
Total: €534

Alternative Bench: Game 238%, Desk 125%, Work 312%
CPU: Intel Core i9-13900K €472
GPU: Nvidia RTX 4070 €516
SSD: Crucial P5 Plus NVMe PCIe M.2 500GB €50
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3600 C18 2x16GB €103
MBD: Gigabyte Z790 AORUS ELITE AX €211
Total: €1,352

The website said I'd need to switch out the ram. Not sure what else to go for.

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#25 12-06-2023 07:49AM

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That board is a DDR5 one, so DDR4 isn't an option for it. It has a variant named the Gigabyte Z790 AORUS ELITE AX DDR4, which unsurprisingly is the DDR4 version of it. Not much point in going for DDR4 if you're not carrying over some.

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#26 12-06-2023 09:59AM

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What would be the main benefits of going with a DDR5, and of course the MBD, over DDR4? Does it all depend on what I plan to use the machine for?

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#27 12-06-2023 10:05AM

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120704052#Comment_120704052

DDR5 is faster overall and lower power, and it's the RAM type for the foreseeable future. DDR4 can have lower latency, so unless you have a use case that really needs low RAM latency, there's no advantage to DDR4.

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#28 12-06-2023 11:27PM

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120703455#Comment_120703455

Userbenchmark isn't good comparison software, their benchmarks are not reputable.
You don't need an i9-13900K. Either go AMD (Ryzen 7700, or 7800X3D for gaming) or i5-13600K/i7-13700K. Spend the extra money on more SSD and slightly faster RAM.

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#29 13-06-2023 05:24PM

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120707514#Comment_120707514

I was checking one pc building website last night and realised that others on here are using pcpartpicker. I'll try that instead.
I'll have a look at i7-13700K and come back with a link on all items.

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#30 13-06-2023 06:09PM

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Probably best to go for the 7800X3D over the i7-13700K:
https://www.xda-developers.com/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-vs-intel-core-i7-13700k

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#31 13-06-2023 06:20PM

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This is what I have at the moment:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/gRs3Kp

I'm not sure what to get for the graphics card. I'd be mainly playing CSGO (soon to be CS2) and that would be more reliant on the CPU so the money would be more geared towards the CPU.

I don't need massive storage either. I'm currently using 135GB on a HDD and 61GB on a SSD. Would prefer to have just a SSD for everything if it works fine.

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