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BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? **threadbans in OP**

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,817 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    So you're saying that all Albanian migrants are involved in crime, particularly drug smuggling although you be no evidence for this bar one or two articles about someone getting caught?

    I guess that would be a similar assumption to those in the UK who in the past held the unfounded and completely ignorant assumption that anyone Irish was an IRA supporter.

    What an utterly stupid and xenophobic perspective you have there @FraserburghFreddie



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭FraserburghFreddie


    That`s a pretty poor attempt at deflection seth `ol lad.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,817 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    What did I deflect?

    You parrot the English nationalist crap as it seems to suit your pro-Brexit views.

    I've not deflected anything. I made a comparison to your horrible stereotyping of Albanian migrants as drug smugglers. It is completely unfounded despite your faux outrage at my pointing it out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭FraserburghFreddie


    I provided links from Irish newspapers.How is that english nationalist crap? To suggest there are`nt albanian criminal gangs active in western europe is bizarre tbh.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,817 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Every country has criminal gangs. You and EH are echoing the Tory line that because some Albanian migrants are involved in criminality then all Albanian migrants are involved in criminality especially drug running.

    You for whatever reason felt the need to post an article about some Albanian who has spent the majority if his life in Ireland and was caught as a if that was a reflection of all Albanian migrants.

    It's disgusting. It's xenophobic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,950 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    There are Irish criminal gangs active in Europe and indeed worldwide too, should we ban Irish people from moving to other countries?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭FraserburghFreddie


    Indeed,they are active in my Irish wife's hometown.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,954 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    To add to this, the Dublin Regulation not only doesn't require asylum seekers to apply for refuge in the first country they arrive at; it doesn't impose any obligations on asylum seekers at all. Its object is to identify the member state responsible for handling an asylum request, and it does this by making provision about what member states may or may not do.

    Even if, under the Dublin Regulation, State A is responsible for handling a particular asylum request, the regulation does not oblige the asylum seeker to apply in State A. He can, perfectly lawfully, apply in any member state. What the Dublin Regulation does is allow the member state in which he applies to transfer the application to State A.

    So, those who tell you that asylum seekers are illegal, are breaking Dublin Regulation by not applying in some state other than the one they have applied in are, in effect, telling you that they have never looked at the Dublin Regulation and have no idea what it says.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,540 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Yep. And the regulation also has strict timeframes so that asylum seekers cannot be left in permanent beaurocratic limbo. States need to act relatively quickly to process applications.

    And asylum seekers also need to act quickly to make their application for asylum.

    I think there definitely are improvements that should be made,but the EU are trying to deal with Asylum seekers responsibly and compassionately with pragmatism. The UK are doing the opposite.

    The EU recognise the human rights of asylum seekers. The ERG/Tories declare them to be criminals by default and try to treat them as an infestation to be eradicated or controlled.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,954 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Actually, the biggest part is probably revisiting the UK policies which incentivise undocumented immigration of asylum seekers.

    You can't apply for asylum unless you are actually in the UK — there is no possibility of applying from overseas. But . . .

    . . . if you apply for a visa to enter the UK you will be refused if they suspect that you may apply for asylum.

    So, the only way to apply for asylum in the UK is to enter as an unauthorised arrival. Naturally, people who wish to seek asylum in the UK respond to this policy as you would expect; they enter as unauthorised arrivals. If you want to reduce this behaviour, the logical thing is to reconsider the policies which incentivise it.

    So, for example, instead of seeking to make agreements with the French to interdict unauthorised channel crossings — tried many times before, has never worked, reasons for this are obvious — maybe make agreements with the French for the establishment of reception centres, where people can apply and be assessed without having to enter the UK?

    But the UK right is heavily invested in a policy of demonisation, victim-blaming and performative cruelty; it will be psychologically difficult for them to move to rational, evidence-based policy. Plus there is political benefit to stoking fears about "invasion", and from that point of view a large volume of unauthorised arrivals is actually helpful to them.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,516 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Mod - Thread has been veering off topic for a while now, can we please steer it back to the topic of Rishi Sunak and his cabinet/policies, thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭nachouser




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,914 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Good riddance. Useless parasite has caused more than enough damage.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,710 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    As well Nadine Dorries a Conservative MP has resigned as well. It seem she assumed she be on the Borris's retirement honours list and when she was not she resigned her seat.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,540 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,105 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Apparently even many committed Conservatives are utterly disgusted by his honours list:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,165 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    "Trashed what remains of his legacy"

    What legacy does/did he have that was not already complete trash?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    He’s still going to earn millions on the after dinner circuit and have absolutely no comeuppance for what he did. He had zero interest in being an MP. Wanted to be top dog and when that ambition was realised, he had no where else to go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Bloody hell - the list of people he gave honours is basically all his staff and allies in the last 20 years including the hairdresser

    Is Liz Trusss honours list coming soon?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Except for his dad, who was refused a knighthood 😂

    Id say that’ll make Christmas uncomfortable.

    ”Some PM, couldn’t even get his old dad a knighthood.”



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Maybe Liz Truss will give honours to Stanley Johnson and Nadine Dorries

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,914 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I think some people would point to Brexit, Ukraine and the covid vaccine. Brexit is a national humiliation, and both parties support Ukraine and the vaccine rollout is largely due to the strong life sciences here and the centralised NHS.

    Every time I think of him, I just picture Abba parties and people suffocating in hospitals.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,540 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Sir Mogg.


    The farcical ending to the British empire

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,923 ✭✭✭Wossack


    Dame Priti Patel


    christ on a bike



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,867 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Are there any military obligations on Knights? Do they have to lead in combat?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,914 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,279 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Absolutely and without a doubt one of the most wretched creatures I have ever seen in British politics. A complete rat's nest of a figure that represents everything that's wrong about British political circles in the so called "upper" echelons, where simply by virtue of one's class one is afforded the ludicrous ability to constantly fail upwards, even to the highest office of the land.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,105 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Interesting to see the right wing press trying to push the narrative that Johnson was the victim of a kangaroo court and a stitch up but half heartedly and without any real conviction.

    These are desperate times for British politics - an obvious fraud, degenerate, liar, spoofer etc and even now they can't bring themselves to criticise or condemn him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    But that's not that interesting is it ?

    It's exactly how one would expect them to react.



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