This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

Stevie2001 · 06-06-2023 03:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120682853#Comment_120682853

I'd be more confident with an out of warranty Toyota Yaris than a similar age Renault Zoe

I know you would too

User1998 · 06-06-2023 04:47PM

Very few simple ice cars available these days, but the likes of a 1 litre Japanese car could be a safer bet compared to a similar sized EV.

ELM327 · 06-06-2023 04:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120682949#Comment_120682949

In what terms? Not in cost per mile anyway. In terms of reliability I'd put them equal, just because the early yaris were super reliable little cars and the early zoes can be quite finicky with BCIs.

fafy · 06-06-2023 04:51PM

I’d put this down to a new concept, first we had range anxiety, now, its “warranty anxiety”, based upon, fear of the unknown.

There are thousands of 8 +year old Leafs, Zoe’s, E Golfs, and i3’s about, still going, albeit with varying levels of battery degredation.

Busman Paddy Lasty · 06-06-2023 04:53PM

Comparing a Toyota and 3 VAG cars to a Zoe. A petrol Renault loses in that comparison too!

Petrol Up to an Aye-Up is more valid comparison.

kirving · 06-06-2023 05:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120683301#Comment_120683301

It's completely reasonable to be fair.

Talking to a mechanic the other day, BMW wanted to charge a customer of his €17k to fix the 80kW motor and 6kWh battery pack on a 2106 330e. He can physically replace the parts for well under half that - but is software locked out of it. So the car has sat idle for a year and counting.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120683281#Comment_120683281

But how much mileage is the average Yaris doing in a year? At low mileage in a low range car, I'm not sure the monetary cost it worth the inconvenience of plugging in (hopefully that changes soon).

I's be arguing for the Zoe based on driving experience moreso.

fafy · 06-06-2023 05:26PM

Fair point, but thats where considering a warranty Extension, comes into play, but appreciate, it can only be done before the initial warranty ends in some cases.

My i3 - 3 year warranty ends end of July, i have a quote for extending it, its €744 per annum minimum, am strongly considering it, i suspect most would not extend the warranty.

What do people think of this quote ? , for 1 year extended warranty, which can be re-extended each year up to 100,000 kms, as i have only 24,000 kms, i could keep on extending for quite a while.

Btw, i checked with a BMW ICE owner, they extended, have way higher mileage, a few years older, and its actually cheaper for a diesel than an EV, about half the price actually

Stevie2001 · 07-06-2023 10:40AM

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The thing about the i3 is it's a special car, it's gonna be a classic in years to come, brilliantly engineered, carbon fibre, 1315kg compared to usual transit van weight EV's like VW ID3 etc, those doors, has a unique mid-level suspension as well, some breakdowns analysts believe BMW lost thousands with every i3 sold

So not surprised the warranty extension is very expensive, it's a special car, anyone that bought one was smart

I'd just pay the warranty price myself.

listermint · 07-06-2023 10:45AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120685682#Comment_120685682

That's a bizarre way to look at it. It's utterly out of most people's price range to repair. Its repairs are extremely excessive. They're selling for peanuts in the US its biggest market because of this.

Mr Q · 07-06-2023 10:59AM

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Who was the quote with? It seems very high but maybe that is down to the make and model.

Stevie2001 · 07-06-2023 11:05AM

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They bought the wrong car then.

i3 is a drivers car, you don't buy it to save money or be frugal, you buy a Leaf for that, running an i3 out of warranty is madness unless you have the means

Good reason why mechanics call BMW " Bring Money Withyou "

listermint · 07-06-2023 11:06AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120685782#Comment_120685782

The i3 is a drivers car.... collectors item... really.

Stevie2001 · 07-06-2023 11:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120685789#Comment_120685789

I thinks so yes, have you driven one?

Rwd, 1315kg, 170bhp, fully independent suspension

The i3s is even better again with more power, stiffer suspension, wider tyres

kirving · 07-06-2023 11:19AM

I wouldn't call an i3 a drivers car, but it's certainly unique and so comes with potentially increased warranty costs.

I would be extremely wary of running any EV out of warranty these days, and would say that a manufacturer backed warranty is a requirement - does start eating into fuel savings pretty heavily though.

Stevie2001 · 07-06-2023 11:27AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120685838#Comment_120685838

I was very impressed with it, thought it was great fun.

I wouldn't run an EV out of warranty either, personally I think it's madness, especially if you only run an EV because your a cheap skate, like most EV owners are.

fafy · 07-06-2023 11:58AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120685751#Comment_120685751

BMW Insured Warranty. I searched hard, but i did not see any alternatives. Are there any ?

Agree, its definitely a very different car, almost bought an ID3, but went for this, its a real fun car, never gets boring.

Mr Q · 07-06-2023 12:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120685970#Comment_120685970

I know there are companies like carprotect who offer warranties but I doubt the cover would be the same. I've never used them but got a quick quote before.

Their terms put me off, not sure they actually cover much if the car breaks.

fafy · 07-06-2023 12:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120686027#Comment_120686027

I did find them, too many exclusions, and their quote has no option, for a full EV, insists on a cc, which didn’t inspire much confidence, nor did, the “latin” language used in the “about car protect” part of their website

LasersGoPewPew · 07-06-2023 02:41PM

I see Vector Motors had a 2021 M3 RWD for sale at €39950, deposit has been taken. They probably took a bit less for it but I don't understand how someone would pay near that price when a new one isn't much more.

...Ghost... · 07-06-2023 02:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120686724#Comment_120686724

Available right away. Comes with the USS. Maybe it was max budget.

Not a bargain though.

September1 · 07-06-2023 03:05PM

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New one would cost 44k and you would need to wait. If this one already has some ceramic coating or PPF that could improve value as well.

zg3409 · 07-06-2023 03:10PM

I agree some out of warranty "bargains" may be high risk for owners.

If you are buying a high mileage old car ideally you would be driving low mileage and it would be a second non essential car. At least with cars like the leaf they are well know, and all common faults have repair guides on YouTube along with a network of garages (at least 3 in ROI) who claim to be EV repair specialists. Often they repair cars for 1/2 the price of main dealers and often they can diagnose the issue better and replace less parts.

In terms of lock in software locks on common EVs the back street specialists often have the tools needed to reprogram and swapping a leaf battery often involves buying a magic box that convinces the car it still has the old battery fitted. A case I heard in Dublin an owner swapped all the battery cells over for better cells in the same battery box and no software was needed as the car knew no better. It took 1.5 days DIY with access to a car lift. Any back street garage could do this with a bit of relevant training. It is literally just spanner work.

Most people avoid main dealers when car is out of warranty.

In terms of paying for warranty I prefer to have say 2000 euro emergency fund in case I need a new washing machine, car, fix broken window etc. Most of those extended warranty estimate the risk, add on profit for themselves and often you may have trouble making a claim and if claim is paid out it may be months later when you have already forked out to get car fixed. I know it's high risk to have an out of warranty EV, but mine is going great and I do low mileage and I have a third car. Brand new cars can also have issues dealers struggle to fix.

Casati · 07-06-2023 04:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120686830#Comment_120686830

In general the washing machine warranty for €15 per month is poor value as you can fix them often for less than €100 and worst case a new one might be €600 which most people can find somewhere.

With BMW - and petrols/ diesels as a well as ev's, the repair costs of big failures can be massive - I have seen repairs costing €9000 covered by the extended warranty so it was worth it many times over

unkel · 07-06-2023 10:21PM

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Mine's actually only 1170kg

I've owned a lot of driver's cars before, Porsches, BMWs, etc. (and none of them diesel). And I agree with you, a fully electric i3 is a driver's car for sure. Looks like an ugly Noddy car but goes like the clappers, very flickable.

People that disagree with them being a driver's car, simply haven't driven one 😂

unkel · 07-06-2023 10:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120687194#Comment_120687194

I remember extending the warranty on a BMW M5 E60 was not much more than a grand per year. Compare that to a €25k bill to replace the engine and that warranty was a bargain!

On EVs, I wouldn't really be tempted by any extended warranty offers, unless they were dirt cheap and / or the car was known to be troublesome. I.e. like a very early Tesla Model S

listermint · 08-06-2023 04:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120688499#Comment_120688499

Lad in work had 2019 one. It's fun but it's not a drivers car. Let's at least be honest. The regen didn't make it a drivers car. The grips a bit meh too.

But sure look drivers car... this where we are at opinion town. As I said il stick by it not being a drivers car or a collectors item.

sk8board · 08-06-2023 10:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120683439#Comment_120683439

Ive used that same official BMW extended warranty for a 420d gc, €416 pa fully comp bumper to bumper. www.bmwwarranty.ie is the site I think. Easiest money I’ve ever paid. Never needed it, thankfully.

There’s almost zero chance I’d drive a EV out of warranty, never mind the battery degradation concerns and have it tested before buying.

so many EVs for sale listing their original range (unachievable in the first place), and buyers in for shock.

Warranty Anxiety is a great word for it and it’s definitely coming.

...Ghost... · 08-06-2023 10:26PM

Any bargains going?

unkel · 08-06-2023 10:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120691503#Comment_120691503

That's a 94Ah one or even a 120Ah one? And maybe even with the worst of both worlds REx system? Those cars gained a lot of fat compared to my early 1170kg 60Ah electric only one that doesn't even have the onboard fast DC charging module. These early light ones are driver's cars alright. Not pretty though 😂 Go drive one yourself, but don't do it until you can afford to buy one as you will want one 😂 just like me. And cover your head with a blanket until you are inside. Did I say already once or twice they are no lookers?

bridgerock · 09-06-2023 08:01AM

I see Merlin Car Auctions have a 2017 HYUNDAI IONIQ EV for sale today.

Will be interesting to see is this will be a bargain.

NCT and Tax up on it it looks like.

This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

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