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Merging of PGA Tour, DP World Tour and LIV!!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,881 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    The LIV tour will be no more after this year, Greg Norman is beign axed!! Keep up.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Kingston Delightful Paperboy


    Messi has also just turned down this 'unlimited wealth'.

    The PGA will regret that merger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,512 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    There are so many here who don't actually listen to what's said and make up their own minds about everything.

    For me the key thing was said right at the beginning. He said with his business head on, not his personal opinion, that he can see this improving the tour in ten years time. He didn't give a personal opinion and he's being sensible not doing that today.

    You need time to let it all sink in, get all the details about exactly what's going on and then give your personal opinion.



  • Posts: 14,708 [Deleted User]


    I think you have a bit of keeping up to do. LIV golf tour is being merged in with the other tours, one of the key points is:

    • • A "comprehensive evaluation of LIV Golf to determine how best to integrate team golf into the professional game" will take place

    So it is not yet known what components of the LIV tour, the format, the venues, the prize money etc will be folded into the merged tour. To say it it has nothing to do with this, that it is no more either means you are being disingenuous, or you don’t quite understand that if that tour, and it’s backers, which are inseparable, form a significant part of the new tour, then they are an important though highly controversial stakeholder and influence in world golf.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭Musicrules




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,512 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Well Rory seems to think Liv has nothing to do with the deal so either he's been given wrong information or they aren't part of this deal.



  • Posts: 14,708 [Deleted User]


    Are you asking why LIV golf and PIF are inseparable?

    Public Investment Fund is reputedly one of the largest sovereign investment funds in the world, backed by the Saudi Arabian state, they also own LIV Golf.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,512 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    That doesn't mean they have anything to do with a deal involving two other tours.



  • Posts: 14,708 [Deleted User]


    The PGA Tour and DP World Tours announced a shock merger with the LIV Golf Series, run by the Saudi Arabian Public Investment Fund. All sides are immediately dropping all lawsuits involving LIV Golf. The governor of Saudi Arabia’s sovereign wealth fund, Yasir Al-Rumayyan, joins the PGA Tour board of directors and leads the new business venture as chairman, though the PGA Tour will have a majority stake.

    Here is a little background information on the chairman of the new venture borne of the deal with the other two tours.

    https://www.si.com/golf/news/get-to-know-yasir-al-rumayyan-the-most-powerful-person-in-golf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,452 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Yeah all true.

    I did think that was nonsense from Rory today, "I hate LIV, this isn't LIV, this is the PIF".

    The two are inseparable and really indistinguishable. The aims and ethos are one and the same; to disrupt, to gain acceptance through sheer mass of money and hence to sportswash.

    If LIV disappears as a brand and a format, it doesn't matter a shite, no more than if one brand of Cadbury chocolate bar was retired. Cadbury and their parent Mondelez would still exist and carry on their corporate goals as before.

    And so it is with the PIF. They now have full effective control of professional golf everywhere.

    The only way that could be stopped now, is some sort of regulatory intervention in the US or EU which might stop the deal for anti-competitive or anti-trust reasons.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭keynes



    "Improving the game" is so vague it's meaningless. Improve it for whom, exactly? Improving prize money at the top level (i.e., the US), inducing an exodus from the European tour? Why do the top players even need more money? Is 3 million in prize money not enough to incentivize them? FWIW, I don't think the Saudi's are interested in grassroots stuff; rather, their goal is to have top names associated with their "brand"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,512 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Those articles have no information. There has been very little information made available. The media decided that Liv golf was part of the deal. The only person whose spoken about it who might know anything is Rory McIlroy and he says Liv is not part of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,512 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Of course PIF is looking to sportswash. I don't think there's too many who don't know that.

    More money is better for everybody as regards earning potential.

    My point is that Rory clearly said that with his business hat on, and not his own personal opinion, he thought this.

    The comment about his own personal opinion which he never gave us is what I'm pointing out.

    He doesn't have enough information and he also needs to talk to his fellow golf professionals before/if he gives his personal opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,773 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    I think you're trying your very best to be optimistic about what Rory was saying. If he doesn't have enough information then he shouldn't be putting on his business hat either. He probably shouldn't have said anything.

    In reality, with Rory and most of these guys, they are always wearing their 'what's the best thing I can say for my image/career' hat. They are so well trained in PR that nothing seems genuine.

    It's not that he doesn't know enough to give his personal opinion, it's that he needs more time to spin his personal opinion to make himself not look too bad. It's the sad reality.

    I don't see the need to blame him or defend him. But he is certainly not some common man's hero.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭Musicrules




  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Kingston Delightful Paperboy


    Desperately disappointed with McIlroy's comments.

    Don't particularly like him but thought he'd stand firm.

    Can't wait to see what Tiger says.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae




  • Posts: 14,708 [Deleted User]


    PIF owns LIV Golf, LIV golf is owned by PIF. The Governor of PIF is to be the chairman of the new merged tour, negotiated by the 3 tours, including the PIF owned LIV golf.

    What point are you trying to make?



  • Posts: 14,708 [Deleted User]


    Just to be clear, are you claiming the reports of the PIF owned LIV golf merging with the other two tours, after negotiations between the three, is a rouse?

    The heads of all three tours have made statements about the merger of the three tours since the announcement , to say McIlroy knows more than they do, seems at odds with reality.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,832 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Folks, there's a couple of sad spit and spat posts over the last page or so, I don't have time to go back and edit them all

    @eagle eye @lbunnae Take it to PM or move on

    This thread is to discuss and debate something that is a huge impact on golf, please discuss within the rules of Boards and the Golf Forum Charter.

    No squabbling and ease off the source of funds, as a reminder of our Charter


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    This is a golf forum, no discussion allowed on international/national/local politics. If required mention it in passing and do not discuss any further here.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    Word on Twitter that another big name, recent world No 1 and major winner was about to sign with LIV. They seem to think it was Rahm. Maybe that’s what pushed this deal over the line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,064 ✭✭✭blackbox


    The merger is a right kick in the teeth for those that showed loyalty to the PGA.

    ... and a kick in the teeth for anyone who is concerned about what goes on in Saudi.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭daithi7


    “I’ve come to terms with it. I’ve resigned myself to ... this is what’s going to happen. It’s very hard to keep up with people who have more money than anyone else,” McIlroy said


    This says it all to me. He clearly doesn't like it, but he has to live with it now, and I think that is fair enough.

    Those who are expecting him to take a solo moral stance on this, are expecting far too much of a pro golfer imho. He is a pro golfer, he has fought the good fight for over 18 months to preserve the PGA. If that organisation (along with the DP tour) now wants to merge/partner with PIF to fund the future of professional golf at that level, then he has to play in that framework if he wants to continue as a pro golfer at the elite level, which he does.


    P.s. imho if a 'moral' body want to stop PIF sports washing, then it's up to the US Dept of Justice, UN, Court of Arbitration &/or other bodies to block this form of marketing. It's not right to expect one player to be able to block this flooding river of money on his own (especially so since it would be against his and his fellow (top) pros monetary interest).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Claiming LIV has nothing to do with this LIV /PGA merger is a new low for Internet discussion 😂

    Imagine a few pints deep and one of the group comes out with that $hite. Thered be a punch up by the end of it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭Ardillaun



    By that yardstick, any player betrayed by their league looks extremely foolish. I’m not usually a fan of the Rorystory publicity machine but on this occasion he has been consistent and did what he could to resist the Saudis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 602 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    I really can’t understand this sentiment. He has spent a year vocally denouncing LIV and the players who made the switch, at least part of the criticism being the association with Saudi Arabia. Now that they are merging, the PGA is tainted by association. If he sees no problem with that, he is a hypocrite.

    He is presumably feeling very conflicted; fair enough if he doesn’t come out and excoriate Monahan and the PGA. But he didn’t need to give it his backing on the very same day of the announcement!

    He is at no risk of losing his tour card from criticising the merger. The only thing he would lose is the ‘compensation’ the PGA has promised him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,881 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    I suppose the great thing in all this is that we'll get the likes of Brooks, Bryson, Phil, DJ Cam Smith, Patrick Reed, Sergio, Lee & Poulter back competing on the PGA tour.

    Westwood, Stenson & Poulter can now go on and become Ryder cup captains.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭cosatron


    this is the big thing. Having all these great players back competing on a more regular bases. there was a great buzz at the last two majors when brooks and Byrson were in the hunt and even at the start of the year when Reed and Rory did battle in Dubai



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,977 ✭✭✭Russman


    I think the suggestion that Rory (or anyone) should pack it in and/or set up his own tour is for the birds tbh. Why would he or any player do that ? There would be almost no chance of any players joining up, why would they ? They'll now still get to play in most if not all of the existing tournaments and majors and presumably be paid a lot more to do so - its an absolute no brainer for them. I mean, what did people want Rory to say or do yesterday ? Throw the toys out of the pram and go home ? His place of work is changing behind the scenes so he has to deal with it. No one is going to retire in their early 30s because the money they play for has increased and maybe comes from a different bank account than last years.

    The re-integration, if and how it happens, of the LIV players will be interesting though. I mean some of them would be questionable enough as regards keeping their cards on the PGAT, particularly some of the older Europeans. I'm thinking the likes of Poulter, Westwood, McDowell, maybe even Stenson and Sergio, or someone like a Pat Perez. Will the likes of Cam Smith lose a year of his exemption for his Open win ? Then again I suppose throw enough money at a problem and it will go away.

    Will we see Feherty back on the course ?? 😁



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    I got warned for telling someone to grow up over it haha



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