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Merging of PGA Tour, DP World Tour and LIV!!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,518 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭JPCN1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,773 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    If the influential PGA tour players really didn't know anything about this then I think it's absolutely crazy from the PGA, and they have left themselves open to strikes and possibly a new players association forming to replace them (with a new tour) - one that will have the popular support of the American people and the backing of patriotic companies for advertising.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭zocklie


    Thinking about it a bit longer, this was always going to be the end result that suited the pga tour & the liv golfers. If Monahan has to be the fall guy to get it done, he's gonna be rewarded handsomly for it at the cost of his job. How they'll get the current PGA pro's to come around is another story, maybe just pay them all lump sums and milk that saudi cow for all its worth.



  • Posts: 14,708 [Deleted User]


    Qatar didn’t buy FIFA, they allegedly bought a vote though. This is something completely different, and legal, we can only assume.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,518 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    A new tour, as unlikely as it is to happen, would get massive sponsorship and TV deals. Not just in America but worldwide. It'd get a lot of support from huge organisations everywhere.

    It's just too much work for the players though. They'd have to go and find top class professionals in multiple areas of business and sports to get it up and running.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭big_drive


    Must be a matter of opinion because to me its the complete opposite!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,893 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    Not sure how people think McIlroy looks bad in all this. He stuck to his guns. The PGA and DP look like complete scumbags to be honest.

    If you can't buy the players, I guess you buy the execs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,893 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,518 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I agree, to this point McIlroy has been brilliant. The question is what move does he make now? If he just goes along with it he'll be called a hypocrite just like Monahan and nobody will believe he wasn't involved in all of this.

    I think the players have to come out with a strong statement and all withdraw from a tournament. That'll show they weren't part of this, how it shakes out after that is anyone's guess.

    The Travellers and the Rocket Mortgage follow the US Open, they are both high profile enough for the players to make a statement.



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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,414 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    DP tour is gonna get screwed again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,717 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    I’d often be one of them but not on this occasion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭AlanWatts


    Monahan is fully to blame here. Panicked from day one, promised too much to the players, looked for too much from sponsors, took a fixed position and seemed to take the whole thing personally. Played it tough and blinked first. LIV was not in a strong position. Big question is how can one guy make unilateral decisions like this for such a big organization. It seems to be a setup that is wide open to bribery and corruption.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,518 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    When Donald Trump comes out supporting a merger you know something's very wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,518 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Amnesty International join the discussion...

    "While this may have taken some golf fans and commentators by surprise, it’s really just more evidence of the onward march of Saudi sportswashing,” Amnesty UK’s Felix Jakens said.

    “It’s been clear for some time that Saudi Arabia was prepared to use vast amounts of money to muscle its way into top-tier golf – just part of a wider effort to become a major sporting power and to try to distract attention from the country’s atrocious human rights record.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,977 ✭✭✭Russman


    I honestly can't see that happening, even though I might like it to. These guys ultimately are people who play golf for money and if enough of it is spread around, they'll play. I think they might find a way to show Monahan the door, but unless they set up a rival tour, which lets be honest, isn't going to happen, they're effectively boxed in. No top player is going to retire because of this, they'll play and the world will move on. The vibe seems to me (reading between the lines) to be that the players are annoyed they weren't in the loop, not that they've a problem with Saudi money. Does anyone really look at the origin of every cent they receive anyway ? Even the ones who made a song and dance about legacy and tradition and all that, will be ok, they still get their Majors and old tournaments and now a lot more moolah with it. Rory & JT and those guys will be able to play it like they were shafted, which they were.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭paulos53


    My opinion on McIlroy will depend on what he says in today's press conference. I just hope that he doesn't back Jay Monahan and flip on everything that he has been saying for the past year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 386 ✭✭Break80


    I can't see a way out of this for McIlroy.

    He spent the past 2 yrs being the poster boy for The PGA and now they hung him out to dry plain and simple. I read somewhere he was getting a payment from The PGA to sit on the player's committee but he put his cards on the table the past 2 yrs, his own form suffering as a result. A lot of this his own doing I'll grant, if he avoided the media side and just played golf he would have more wins. On course interviews during The Masters was mad stuff IMO.

    He spoke of his legacy when turning down the Saudi millions. The corner he's backed into now means that legacy is in the crap if he keeps playing.

    I'll probaly get roasted for this but,

    He has more money to last a few lifetimes, all his on course earnings could be diverted to his charitable foundation from now on.

    The tax implications and the undoubted boost in sponsorship would easily ease the pain of lost earnings.

    McIlroy would walk out of this with his legacy and repetition in the stratosphere with his middle finger raised to the people who shafted him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,973 ✭✭✭Panrich


    This is a sad day. I’ll be looking for something else to do with my weekends from now on. I can’t get on board with this abomination of an arranged marriage.

    No biggie for others or in the big scheme of things but one less follower for this sport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,773 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    Pelley has to be one of the worst living humans. No morals, stupid idea after stupid idea, totally incompetent individual. It's so hard to believe that he's actually on the side of the European Tour as no rival could have done a better job destroying it than he has, and he's still f**king there.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Pretty much zero chance he retires Golf in his prime due to this



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    He's not in his prime! He peaked at a young age, But yeah I agree , he's been royally shafted , pretty unfair to just expect him to quit professional golf.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,518 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    He's won the Fed Ex Cup twice in the last four years. He's the only player to win it three times, all in the last seven years.

    How do come to the conclusion that the 2022 Fed Ex cup champion is not in his prime?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 386 ✭✭Break80


    No need to quit just don't profit from the game as I said in my post.

    I firmly believe, if he went to a tournament low key, avoid interviews and promotions of an organisation who didn't think enough of him to give him a heads up, he would be in a better place to compete.

    The distractions are his problem IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,518 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Just reading there that the US department of Justice have to approve it and you've got some very powerful groups like the 911 families united who'll oppose it.

    It might not happen, hopefully it doesn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    Are you serious? Not sure if you are. major winning is 90% of professional golf. Everybody will tell you that. He is not in his prime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    I think he will support it. He's a company man. McIlroy didn't take on the attack dog role out of the goodness of his heart. The likes of himself, Lowry and Horschell were being fed lines throughout the whole thing by Monahan the whole time. Everybody was on point every few weeks with the exact same message. McIlroys bread will be buttered.

    There's no way PIF would have risked throwing this out and having McIlroy or Tiger being fully against it, as it would be undermined instantly.

    He'll support it, say it's good that golf has come back together, lots of healing needed and when asked about Saudi Arabia, he'll throw out the Gary Neville line.

    It's the likes of Lowry and Horschell that wont have their bread buttered by PIF. They are expendable and to be honest, the way they've behaved over the last year, I have no sympathy for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,518 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    The Fed Ex Cup is huge. You are the PGA champion golfer. You don't become that if you are not in your prime.

    Just because he hasn't won a major doesn't mean he is not in his prime. Would you not agree that having three top fives and two top tens in the last five majors means you are still in your prime?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 904 ✭✭✭JIdontknow


    McIlroy it seems has been pushed under the bus as opposed to looking bad over it all. He has been the spokesperson for the PGA tour instead of Monahan the last while which shouldn't have been the case and it probably affected his golf as a result. Might be time for Rory to give up the player advisory council chairman (If it is a case him and the players weren't consulted) and get back to playing his golf without that distraction.



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