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Merging of PGA Tour, DP World Tour and LIV!!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,226 ✭✭✭Trampas


    Penny probably dropped with Saudi that Norman is toxic for the brand and his personal vendetta against pga tour was never going to be good in the long run. Maybe the masters not giving him a ticket was the final straw



  • Posts: 14,708 [Deleted User]


    No, but if one of the most important and prominent officials in the Ukraine Government says they will never concede to Russia, while at the same time Zelenskyy was negotiating to concede to Russia, then it would like a little foolish.



  • Posts: 14,708 [Deleted User]


    Can’t see how that wouldn’t end in a law suit if the fee wasn’t applied equally to all players joining the PGA Tour, you can’t charge Tom McKibbin $50m just because you want to punish Phil Mickelson.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭daithi7


    I feel sorry for McIlroy and the players who stayed loyal to the PGA tour. It appears that their strong stand has been sold out. I get why the PGA might have caved in to some LIV demands and why SA are seeking a piece of the PGA & Dp tours in exchange for even more billions rather than sinking that money into a LIV tour that was tanking.


    The devil will be in the detail but McIlroy must feel like a used tool alright, he did play great golf last year but this year this thing has really undermined him. Tough. Hard lines.


    Imho he should now just get back to being the best golfer he can be now, and maybe let others handle his commercial affairs more & compete in this thing if it's worth his while. But he should backtrack from his current & any further extraneous roles imho, cos really the PGA went straight over his head ultimately and did a deal despite he & many others being used to front their position repeatedly. So look that's the way it appears to be, he'll have to deal with it now.....



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There's a significant portion of the country who will have a go at McIlroy regardless of what he does



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭thewobbler


    I find it bizarre that the majority of posters are declaring this a “LiV Win”.

    my gut instinct is that LiV was about to go under and the PGA has taken them in under the public auspices of a merger, but what in reality is a corporate takeover.

    they weren’t equals. No way was this an equal split or a LiV win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,939 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Why would the PGA take them in, why not just let them go under?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,629 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Liv go under ?

    They essentially have limitless funds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 621 ✭✭✭Cetyl Palmitate


    That makes no sense. LIV was backed by an almost bottomless pit of money from Saudi. Even if it was going to go under why would the PGA give it a lifeline and a piece of it's own organisation?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,032 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    Can Tiger Woods take $1billion off the Saudis now?

    Im sure Mcilmiss the 500mill he was offered!!!

    (Im guessing how much he could have got)

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,801 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    Doubt it tbh. They absorbed the supposed marquee names that joined and all the top players apart from Brooks stayed with the PGAT. If anything LIV looked to be losing momentum. Seems like it might have been to do with the PGAT status as a non-profit organisation and something over the court case there. Either way Monahan is an absolute snake how he went about this. Had the player doing his batting agains the Saudis for the last year and then they find out about this on twitter, disgraceful really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,888 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,801 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    I imagine he feels like he’s been taken for a fool by Monahan, but he shouldn’t feel like an idiot. He showed some moral backbone and turned down megabucks to go against his beliefs when most would have just taken the money and stonewalled the media.

    Keith Pelley’s comments on Sky were pretty crass too. When asked about the players who had turned down the money to stick with the tour he basically said “so what”.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Its quite possible The Saudis were expecting LiV to get more traction. For the money they've spent its been an utter failure in terms of viewers and sponsorship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,223 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    If he had any Stones he'd retire. Richer beyond rich, it would be a great "moral" stance and what he should do based on all of this talk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,223 ✭✭✭✭kippy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,801 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    It’s the usual few who sit watching every Sunday praying for him to make a bogey so they can call him “mcilmiss” (oh look, right on cue a few posts above 🤡) or a “bottler”. Wouldn’t put much credence in their views as they can’t see past their dislike of him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,972 ✭✭✭✭Mushy


    It would be lovely if ad free coverage became a norm out of all this.

    Currently clinging onto twitter for this player meeting, Monahan will reach Delaney levels of Teflon if he gets through it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,223 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Only a fool would think this will lead to add free coverage. The whole thing relies on advertising.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,977 ✭✭✭Russman


    Well, maybe like a used idiot. But don't we all feel like idiots when we've been taken for a ride. Through no fault of his own at the same time, but he was probably a bit too naïve to get involved to the extent he did.

    Thought Pelley was an absolute disgrace there tbh, asking the reporter to explain his question, and then as you say, more or less said "so what".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,740 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    This is kinda mad - whilst I got energy from people taking ethical positions on stuff (for once) - we are literally saying that means nothing now. Golf has got to be the most meaningless mercenary sport in history - soccer was often looked down on - but golf, is literally a pack of capitalist right wing Trump voting head cases.

    If anyone comes to me with Ryder Cup and Europe bullshit in my life - they can go and **** off.

    Pack of spoilt kids the lot of them - and hurry the **** up too .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,032 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    How dare you....i dont need to pray for him to miss, he will do it no bother all by himself!!

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,834 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Think back to the backlash against the european soccer superleague.

    The merger had to be announced done and dusted to avoid any such backlash in the public arena where people had to stabd tgeir ground.


    The lack of details is telling. There is still a lot to be hammered out in this deal i bet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭Jack Daw



    All professional sports people are mercenaries , these golfers are no worse than any other sports people.

    There has been no condemnation of Cristiano Ronaldo, Karim Benzema etc for taking money from the same source the LIV guys got their money from.

    Seems like Golfers are being held to a higher moral standard than other sports people have been.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭thewobbler


    Two main reasons.

    first one is that the quickest, most seamless and least costly way to expunge the only threat to the PGA’s status, is to integrate without fanfare. Do that and it’s endgame. Never again in any of one lifetimes will we see a breakaway tour.


    the second one is everyone’s favourite reason: money. Do this quickly and through absolutely other no effort of their own, the PGA’s marketing for 12-24 months is going to look after itself. Viewing numbers will rocket. Sponsorship will rocket.


    Honestly folks, I reckon the PGA have played a blinder here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭Motivator


    I think you’ll find ordinary people don’t care about sports washing at all, they just claim they do. F1, Boxing and Soccer are all heavily involved with Saudi Arabia, UAE and Qatar. The only time they care about sports washing is when it comes to displaying their faux outrage at, for example, Saudi Arabia buying Newcastle. The ordinary man, he’s outraged because Newcastle or Man City will buy a player the team he supports wanted to sign or his team won’t win a trophy because Newcastle or Man City might win it instead.

    That’s all it is and to say any different you’re only kidding yourself. What I will say is that the PGA Tour to a fanatical golf fan such as myself has sold itself out. I don’t care if it’s Saudi money, Japanese money or Monopoly money but the fact is the whole thing is about money and not about the history and integrity that the PGA Tour claims are its bedrock for the last 40 or 50 years. People talk about the insane money in professional soccer really don’t have a clue what they’re talking about because golf, even before today, has insane sums of money involved in it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    There was loads of condemnation of Ronaldo. So that's horseshite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,709 ✭✭✭joebloggs32


    Rory was right when he said Norman needed to be taken out of the conversation and let the grown ups take over when asked last year about finding a solution.

    The LIV golf concept has completely failed. The format was poor with no cut meaning mediocrity was rampant and the team element didn't gain any traction. This was a sinking ship and the Saudis have simply splashed the cash to buy into the PGA tour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,268 ✭✭✭The Big Easy


    Complete vindication for Phil anyway. His criticism of the PGA Tour, their leadership and non-profit status has all proven prescient.

    I always maintained his biggest crime in the eyes of the money men was referring to the Saudis as "scary mother@#€&#€#".

    It's disgraceful that a supposedly player run organisation can make a decision like this without any consultation with said players.

    The whole thing is murky as @#€&

    I wonder if Dubai enjoys being bought by the Saudis!? But I'm sure they probably weren't consulted either.

    This leaves a terrible taste in the mouth I must say. Pelley and Monahan, I obviously can't say what I think of them here.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭Jack Daw



    Well if there was it went away very very quickly .



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