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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,636 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    The Irish Green Party to me are very much like the DUP in NI. They just don`t play well with others. Eveything has to conform to their rigid ideology. Other parties here are not as rigid on their political ideology. When it comes to elections and getting their hands on power their game is to appeal to what voters want. Nothing wrong with that, it`s how democracy works. Even if here in the recent past one party turned that on its head, but they are now the electoral equivalent of a dead man walking.

    This idea from some here that laws cannot be changed is wishful fantasy. In a democracy those hoping to get elected have to appeal to the wishes of their electorate. Something the EU Commissioners are learning with the blowback in Europe. Especially after those, that unlike the Commission, will be standing for re-election in less than a year, on seeing the recent election result in the Netherlands copped it was time to grow a pair and threw the spanner into the Nature Restoration Law. You can see the same happening here with FG now running a campaign for tax cuts rather than infrastructure and pouring cold water on the Greens rewetting plans.

    Whatever anyone thinks about FG and FF, they are both savvy old hands in the game of politics, and I doubt they will not take heed of the findings on the transfer toxicity of the Greens and question what that is doing to them by association. Even with 2 years to go until the next GE, the Greens easy ride is over, and with the public not favouring a GE before then, threatening one if they do not get their way would more than likely play into FG and FF hands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,934 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,910 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Speaking of carrying a carbon cost, I think our rural and farming compatriots are getting a bit fed up with feeding 50 million people with the best produce on this Earth and getting no credit for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,910 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Yes, but that doesn't mean that where mistakes are identified, where its possible, they should not be reversed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,910 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Interesting essay from a car expert and qualified engineer.

    While I disagree with him to the extent that I believe small EVs for urban use are excellent right now and will last many years, I completely agree that the environmental narrative is far too narrow in that it only considers one aspect of an ICE vehicle's life, ie what comes out of the exhaust pipe.

    I think myself that private diesel cars are essentially gone, but petrol and petrol hybrids run on sustainable fuels and on hydrogen combustion probably do have far longer to live than the current arbitrary 2030 sunset.

    Another error we can reverse with hindsight.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Coolcormack1979


    Interesting letter in the sindo from a non to happy customer who believed the Green Party line of air to heat instead of the auld oil.cost him in 3 months in additional electricity charges nearly 800€.he said if he’d spent same on oil he had heating for the yr.more and more realising a lot of expense for very little return.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,002 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Any report with a Zero in it has to be good ...Ya ? From a realistic perspective,this small republican Isle on the fringes of Europe has little to gain and a LOT to lose with continued dalliance with supposedly "Green" technologies,most of which are there to massively increase profits for the Big Players,in the same manner as COVID-19 did for the Big Pharma's. It's perhaps of value to see the thrust of the latest "Report" from one of the many Climate Policy Think-Tank's" which have replaced common sene institutions Worldwide. https://www.climateandcommunity.org/more-mobility-less-mining Reading through the bio's of this gang gives a sense of what's the thrust of their report....https://www.climateandcommunity.org/staff Essentially,when pared back to essentials,forget all about EV's and the likes,we need to get happy with returning to the Olden days,and parochialism. Reducing or eliminating freely available personal travel for the masses is THE goal for the newly elevated Scientific experts...The 15 minute City,with all of it's attractions,remains the ultimate goal here,and any attempts to go outside that cordon will see you dealt with by further impoverishing you OR locking you up ! Whilst we here can readily recognise this sort of guff from the Yanks,the sad reality is of quasi democratic constructs such as the London Assembly currently debating similar draconian notrions !! https://centreforlondon.org/reader/green-light/summary/ All about restricting or eliminating freedom of movement under the guise of "Thinking of Grandchildren" etc. Be afraid...VERY afraid. The London Assembly's power grab is explained quite succinctly by this fellow....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lgs6bazh-T4&ab_channel=GeoffBuysCars


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,356 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    I haven't read that but did this contributer do the neccessary insulation and or change/update windows and doors before installing a heat pump?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Coolcormack1979


    From the letter windows were changed as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Them semi state boyos paid themselves well enough surely to be capable of a little forward planning??



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,910 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Air to heat pumps are a worse con than wood pellet boilers.

    They don't work at all in old houses, no matter how much you retrofit them, or in new A-rated houses they have a similar running cost to natural gas, only you'll be paying an extra thousand a year in additional maintenance and trouble-shooting.

    The real future is in domestic solar installation and electric heating supplemented by a renewably sourced grid.

    For now, PV and a condensing gas boiler is as good as it gets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,164 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    But the Grand Mufti of windowsill lettuces said they were the future. You're not suggesting he could be fallible, are you?

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,721 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Iceberg lettuce. Take it outa the fridge and it withers very quickly just like the greens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭200mg


    I hear that cools your house in the summer think outside the box. 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,721 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Need some jalapeno peppers to heat it up in the winter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,596 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    I know people with €100k cars who don't know how to work the air conditioning in them, trying to get them to understand how a heat pump works will require them to go on a 2 week course.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,596 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    The world will keep spinning, whether folks in Ireland learn about largely ineffective heat pumps, or not.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭Zico




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,890 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf



    Reducing or eliminating freely available personal travel for the masses is THE goal for the newly elevated Scientific experts...The 15 minute City,with all of it's attractions,remains the ultimate goal here,and any attempts to go outside that cordon will see you dealt with by further impoverishing you OR locking you up ! Whilst we here can readily recognise this sort of guff from the Yanks,the sad reality is of quasi democratic constructs such as the London Assembly currently debating similar draconian notrions !! https://centreforlondon.org/reader/green-light/summary/ All about restricting or eliminating freedom of movement under the guise of "Thinking of Grandchildren" etc. Be afraid...VERY afraid. The London Assembly's power grab is explained quite succinctly by this fellow....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lgs6bazh-T4&ab_channel=GeoffBuysCars

    Yes the idea of urban neighborhoods where all the basic amenities are with walking/cycling distance is absolutely terrifying. We might as well all move to North Korea...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,004 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    upland bog turned into a wasteland to maintain planning for 1 windmill.

    green ideology.

    20230604_095454.jpg


    "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others" - Winston Churchill

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,842 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    If it is such a good idea, the people whose activity makes up the market and demand for these service would have adopted it, there would be no need for coercion. If you go back through the history of many areas since the foundation of the state, the local services that existed when transport was more limited have been out competed and closed down. Even before the rise of the internet, local shops, post offices, pubs and garda stations were shutting down in rural Ireland. That spread to the the market towns, whose commercial activity often revolved around the dealing in cattle or other traded goods, you can see it today the small traders that dominated the town main street are mostly gone often replaced by fast food outlets and shops selling coffee. The banks have mostly closed and those that remain have limited functions. My guess is the city planners are realising the fall in tax revenue and rates that goes with this decline and their primary motivation to restrict peoples movement comes down to their self interest , not quality of life.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,636 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    You know it, I know it and anyone else who has even give it as much as a passing glance knows it.

    Those who are pretending they do not know it are the EU and the green lobby who are massaging the figures on renewable energy for book- keeping propoganda when 60% of the EU green energy is credited to biomass. It`s not just thr biomass alone that is a con. Everything associated with it is a con.

    One group that are very aware of the con are the Irish farmers who listened to the same message from greens that we are now hearing on wind energy. Build it and a path will be beaten to our door by others coming in a long line to throw money at us to avail of it. Irish farmers planted willow and have lost millions from doing so because nobaby came and they are now lokking at even more costs to root it out. And some people still wonder why farmers are very skeptical on vague ideas from greens on farming!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,004 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    Good to see this been raised now. about time otherwise it's back to landfilling same as windmill blades.

    notice the word hope when saying 99 % of the panel will be recycled.

    Solar panels - an eco-disaster waiting to happen ?

    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-65602519

    "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others" - Winston Churchill

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    But there is no restriction in a 15 minute city.

    You arent confined to Salthill if you live in Galway, for instance.



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  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think the ship has sailed on ICE now at this stage as manufacturers around the world are ceasing development on ICE engines. For many, whats out there now is as good as its going to get. I think by 2030 a lot of manufacturers won't even have ICE models on the market. Definitely not diesels anyway, maybe a few petrol.

    Hybrids, I see the market growing in those for the next 1-2 years after which they'll drop off too. They are literally the worst of both options. No idea why anyone would buy one



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