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Phillip Schofield steps down from ITV after affair with "much younger male"

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,824 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Why does someone else have to be hurt for other people to care about it? Absurd standard.

    If someone is murdered or sexually assaulted or harassed, why would there have to be more than 1 person affected for other people to sincerely care about it?

    So why here would that matter here? It doesn't.

    But in this instance you are wrong also.

    How do you think colleagues at ITV felt seeing someone preferred \ advanced because of a 'secret' relationship with Schofield?

    It wasn't happy families there and this one aspect of the toxic culture there.

    Schofield's actions were abuse of position and power.

    So yes, people are allowing to form sincere opinions that that is not on, and that they wouldn't want it to happen in their workplace either.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,981 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Sorry, fake outrage.. mountain ouha molehill stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    I think this is different than just disgust over the age gap.

    Their is a genuine question as to weather PS was actively grooming this young man from a much younger age? Maybe he wasn't, but with the facts known so far, it is reasonable people may have these suspicions.

    How many people here would be happy if this was your son or daughter where a 60+ year old knew them from an early age helped them get a job, a person who would have been in a position of power over the boy/girl then suddenly declares there was a sexual relationship going on but only since the age of consent?

    I certainly would not be saying well sure thats fine, 2 consenting adults and all that. I would be wanting to find out a lot more about what happened and if grooming was a factor, I dont think many parents would just accept a situation like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,652 ✭✭✭XsApollo


    It’s amazing how many that are defending this are ignoring this major part.

    I don’t imagine many of them have children?

    I can’t imagine them being ok and passing off as both consenting adults, if their 60y/o next door neighbour who knew their child from a young age suddenly started having “encounters” with them as soon as they hit legal age ffs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,824 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Or just a job.

    In a workplace, if the star employee gets someone of that age hired, lies to HR, and then effectively fired once he has had his fun...

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,231 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Go on Google and type in “Schofield latest allegations”. I personally am NOT making any allegations.

    But what I am saying is it looks awful for him.

    It’s grim reading.

    I understand why celebs, tv companies, former friends, former management agencies are running a mile.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,981 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Nobody is defending something that does not need defending. Older gay man is attracted to younger gay man. This is not something new.

    Just because not everyone is as outraged by it doesn’t mean anyone is defending it.

    Two consenting adults are attracted to each other and act on that attraction…

    yes, one of them a lot older than the other. So what?!

    wasn’t the man aged 19/20 when he and PS became intimate? Whatever before is irrelevant. Two consenting adults became intimate is all



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,504 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Beechwoodspark threadbanned



  • Site Banned Posts: 7,421 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Yes you are.

    I'm not googling and believing unsubstantiated rubbish.

    You're a judge, jury and executioner? Well?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,824 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    You continually and deliberately misrepresent what happened. It wasn't just two random guys over 18. It was someone Schofield had a direct role in hiring. He abused his position. He lied to his employer, colleagues and family.

    You are defending this conduct by continually trying to turn a blind eye to it.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,824 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Nothing shows up re: police investigation of Philip Schofield for me.

    The only police angle that shows up relates to his brother's conviction for abusing a child.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,981 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    What conduct? I have already said that this is nothing more than an employment matter.

    You want to portray it as vile and nasty and criminal by the sounds of it. In other words, you want it to be seen as outrageous. I don’t see it as at all outrageous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,652 ✭✭✭XsApollo


    Gay doesn’t come into it so I don’t know what that has to do with it.

    you are just ignoring the blatantly obvious part, about knowing the fella since he was a child ffs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,824 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    What does that even mean, "nothing more than an employment matter" ???

    Conduct can be outrageous and vile and nasty and still be within the realm of "an employment matter".

    He abused his position for sexual advantage.

    And people can sincerely, legitimately express criticism of such actions.

    Time will tell re: criminal aspect. Conduct does not have to be criminal for is to be subject to public criticism.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,981 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Blatantly obvious? You seem to be wanting to look too hard. The man was 19/20 when he and PS became intimate. Case closed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,981 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Agreed. But the level of scrutiny and criticism is ridiculously OTT.

    It’s disturbing how much people are piling on pressure on this man so very publicly and so intensely.u

    btw, how are you proving/measuring that he abused his position for sexual advantage? Is that just your opinion?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,824 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It is a factor of his public profile. He is piling on the pressure himself going out on interviews on BBC and The Sun.

    He made a statement when he left ITV.

    But then he keeps putting himself in the firing line, complaining about media attention while he actively seeks it and generates it.

    So yes, while he keeps popping up, so will the scrutiny and criticism, because that's how people feel about his behaviour.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Site Banned Posts: 7,421 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Feels mean nothing. Court of law is where its at. Mentioning the sun...amusing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    With all these incidents mcgreevy was involved with ,his outburst at NTA awards after party saying he loves Schofield , confronting Holly ,all over Schofield in that showreel video he made, people couldn't but notice as obviously he made his feelings known,not to sure it was Schofield fault if he didn't want a full on relationship with mcgreevy but mcgreevy it seems wanted a full on relationship with Schofield..maybe mcgreevy was a bunny boiler at the time like in the film 'fatal Attraction'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,824 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It's speculation either way ... maybe McGreevy wanted a relationship \ thought they were in one based on Schofield's pretence.

    Quite probably he is under an ITV hush money NDA so only the ITV investigation or the police can reveal more wrt his side of the story.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Site Banned Posts: 7,421 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Quite probably? Hush money?

    I'm sure you have proof here.

    I presume you're not casting any untoward allegations without any facts?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,824 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I didn't make a statement of fact. I offered an opinion as to the likely reason why we haven't heard anything from the other party, given how in demand his story would be and the price British newspapers are known to pay for such stories.

    Schofield said in the BBC interview that he paid legal expenses for McGreevy. Why?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Site Banned Posts: 7,421 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    A likely reason. Curious opinion.

    So I can make rubbish up about you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,824 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    What on earth are you talking about.

    He has neither come out in support of Schofield (if he feels everything was above board) or attacking Schofield (if he feels they were not).

    Why? What's your explanation?

    Why is Schofield paying for his legal expenses - as he stated in BBC interview?

    I offered a possible explanation, one that is common in such cases; and which therefore in my opinion is the likely explanation here.

    I did not make a statement of fact that it existed.

    So if you are concerned about making rubbish it - don't make it up about other poster's posts.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,824 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    NDAs are common in these scenarios in the entertainment industry. There is your 'clue'. It is entirely reasonable to discuss possibility that one exists in this case as an explanation for the silence from the other party.

    How is that rubbish? You can't say.

    Your offer no explanation yourself for this.

    Nowhere did I admit my opinions were rubbish - an entirely bad faith accusation.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 864 ✭✭✭reclose


    Do you think the media onslaught should continue?

    What is an acceptable outcome for you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Mullaghteelin


    I will always remember Philip as the lovely man who would sing the theme tune of Dogtanian and the Three Muskehounds on BBC 1.... while over on RTE we had the excitement of a clock ticking away on screen.

    At 4 years old, Philip had already taught me a valuable lesson.... Irish TV was mostly shyte.

    For that alone, I salute him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Mullaghteelin


    I will always remember Philip as the lovely man who would sing the theme tune of Dogtanian and the Three Muskehounds on BBC 1.... while over on RTE we had the excitement of a clock ticking away on screen.

    At 4 years old, Philip had already taught me a valuable lesson.... Irish TV was mostly shyte.

    For that alone, I salute him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,824 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The media onslaught should continue as long as Schofield keeps popping up in the media trying to defend his improper behaviour.

    Schofields career dead for good or at least any role where he is in a position of responsibility wrt junior employees.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,579 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    I'd say McGreevy was just very young and inexperienced.

    I'd imagine he thought the relationship was a lot more serious than it actually was.

    It appears PS was in his life from a young age, I'm guessing a "mate" before the sexual relationship started. So I think McGreevy can probably be forgiven for thinking the relationship was more than what it was. PS was in his circle for years. So you'd imagine mutual respect n all that.

    For PS is seems like it was a fling.

    It's a hard lesson to learn whether gay , straight or whatever, when a person is just not that into you.

    This then playing out in the public domain for someone so young , when all they did was trust and fall for someone who was in their life from a young age. I have a lot of sympathy for.

    The reality is PS should have had a lot more sense. If he wanted a young legal guy he should have just gone to the many gay bars and picked up a consenting adult there. However the way this has played out, it looks from the outside anyway that he wanted someone young and someone he could control. Which is not a good look.



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