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The 2023 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,219 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Best part of that was, among the cat calling and booing, the Roscommon lads kept them chasing shadows for several minutes before scoring the point.

    Lack of self awareness from the dubs.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,746 Mod ✭✭✭✭Say Your Number


    Reminds me of this funny tweet from last year




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,683 ✭✭✭elefant


    I'd have been proud to be a Roscommon fan today, they played with great heart. They really seem like a team all on the same page.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,235 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I was very amused at that as I was saying for ages any team that plays smart- Knowing when to kill a game or attack will do well against this one dimensional Dessie Farrell team. If a team is anyway decent/clued in at all they should be ‘in the game’ against this Dublin side.

    Which makes the tactics Harte’s Louth played v Dublin in the Leinster Final utterly baffling. Especially considering how Harte used to set Tyrone up.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,219 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Connacht's good form (domination?) of 2023 continues. All 3/4 AI Sam Maguire groups topped by Connacht teams, and the only teams that has beaten a Connacht team so far has also been from Connacht.

    Long may it continue 😁



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,244 ✭✭✭cosatron




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭Lionel Fusco


    Yep a tactically astute well coached and motivated team great to see all managed by a good Kildare man of course😉. A really funny game yesterday in that Roscommon were the better team for large parts yet the wily Dubs looked like they were going to eke it out 2 up on 70 minutes but fair play to the Rossies they fought back well and got the draw they deserved. Dublin still really struggling against any team that sets up well defensively.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,805 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    Definitely a close championship and great to see competitive games.

    There is still a sneaking suspicion that the likes of Dublin and kerry are playing the long game and know they don't really have to peak for another few weeks yet. Did dublin get out of 2nd gear yesterday? Would they be likely to raise their game in a qtr or semi final if they had to? I didn't see the game yesterday so I'm just speculating



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,386 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Dublin of all the top teams will probably must need to top there group and get the week of the preliminary QF's off. IMO unless a teams tops there group they will struggle to win the AI. Those three games on the trot will have implications for injuries, cards, and possible bans because of cards at QF, SF and AI final.

    I am not sure on this theory of timing your run. If we look at the history of the super eights teams that could rest players for final game( were guaranteed to top group) virtually all won there SF's to reach the AI final.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Agree i suspect Kerry are playing the long game , Dublin in my opinion are in a serious decline and not capable of mounting a serious challenge for winning an All Ireland .

    " obviously i hope im very wrong "😁



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,947 ✭✭✭BENDYBINN


    Think the all ireland is Mayo’s to lose …no team anywhere near them…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Yes they are certainly looking very good , its all there for them , they have the players , they have a great management in place

    Can they finally get over the line and win a final is the big question , I think there ready .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,235 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Ever since Dublin struggled v Wexford in 2021 down in Wexford I knew Dublin were in Trouble

    But I am shocked how Dessie Farrell has managed to speed up this decline.

    I still believe that it was a missed opportunity for both Louth and Kildare in Leinster this year - but Kildare lacked the experience to see it out and Louth for some mad reason set up very naively.

    If Jim McGuinness or Jim Gavin was in charge of that Kildare/Louth team both would have won v Dublin IMO.I was shocked what a class player Mulroy was, and was even more shocked that a fella like Harte could not set his team up to play it cagey and make use of Mulroy. I still have no idea did Harte not try, or else the players did not listen to him. Tactically it seemed really odd, really loose.

    To beat this Dublin team you just set up defensively and stay in the game. This Dublin team is extremely static and ponderous - especially when there is no Jack McCaffery to break the lines as was shown v the Rossies. Most of the time you get pointless side to side stuff very easy to play against. There is no fellas creating angles or moves, switching with their head up. The players now do not work as an attacking unit, they are hoping for something to happen.

    And Dessie Farrell has proven that great players do not make great managers. He is extremely slow to react to trouble. For example why not play an extra midfielder v Derry? Common sense Rodgers and Glass the main men. If he watched the AI club final he would have seen that.

    And the funny part is Dessie got Lucky when Glass got injured in the league final - changed the game. Dublin lost that first game v Derry when they had the two of them.

    And Dessie Farrell has the sheer neck to blame div2 for Dublin's rustiness when he was the eejit that landed Dublin there in the first place. The Armagh one was the worst in div 1 lamping high ball in the wind, and playing a real high line - making Armagh look like world beaters.

    I think the rest of the country are slowly but surely copping on that this Dublin team can be got at. The fear factor has gone outside Leinster for sure.

    It could be another decade until Dublin get back to a decent top tier level IMO. I just hope it is not Kerry winning the AI's !

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭dunnerc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭SlowChris


    It's an open championship for sure but there's no great teams in it.

    Mayo are in best shape based on what we've seen in league and championship, though Kerry were definitely not going full bore the other week. Yes they would have wanted to win but they were never going to give Mayo a trial run of what's needed to beat them and have them figure out and work on a plan.

    There just hasn't been a championship feel about the games I've watched so far.

    Just can't get excited about "championship" games where losing isn't that bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,219 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Dublin don't have a reliable freetaker.

    Rock is still probably a good deadball kicker, but he's a crock, they can't afford his immobility nowadays. Costello is just OK, but even yesterday he dragged a few when it got close.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    Good point about the freetaker. Rock is missed, now that he is generally not on the starting 15. Freetaking is not jut about quality. Need to have the steel composure to knock frees over in high-pressurized circumstances. Dublin don't have that at the moment. Kerry have O'Shea and Clifford. MAyo have Ryan O'Donoghue. McCurry for Tyrone. Galway have Walsh. But I don't think Cormac Costello will be the answer for Dublin - not on a consistent basis anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,243 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    The one Rock missed at the end yesterday was like something I would of kicked myself! He would of kicked that over with his eyes closed few seasons ago. His confidence and ego took the kick in the first place but unfortunately his ability is not what it once was. Should of been knocked to another man and looked for an easier score. Saying that he wasn't the only one fluffing shots yesterday Fenton missed a very handy score after doing all the hard work and Lahif should of took his point instead of kicking a soft one at the keeper. Again a sign of players no longer making the right decisions and quality not been a given like it once was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,235 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Ah posters are probably sick of me giving out at this stage, and Dessie Farrell will find out where I live yet! It is just disappointing the way things have been let slide unnecessarily by Dublin, you would expect a dip. But there is no structure from Dessie Farrell and his interviews indicate he doesn't seem to have much of plan either - Daydreaming head on him half the time.

    As regards the AI overall other posters are correct it is a very open AI. This could be the year of a real surprise package.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,235 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I was honestly thinking after that Roscommon match afterwards. 'How many of the Dublin team would get into the Roscommon side?' Fenton - O'Callaghan - Kilkenny? After that it is much of a muchness.

    I remember I went down for my first trip to 'the Hyde' 2019 I think it was - lashed rain nearly all day. League match -

    Roscommon lost but could count themselves unlucky not to have won. Roscommon have even gone up a few notches since then. They used to be very loose defensively, but now seem to have a lovely balance to them. Any team that beats them will have earned it.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,527 ✭✭✭Comic Book Guy


    @gormdubhgorm reading that report as a Rossie reminded me of the display Darren Gavin gave that day at centre field, fairly sure he got man of the match on TG4. Whatever happened to him, i know he was one of the younger lads thrown in that day but i can't remember hearing much about him afterwards??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,444 ✭✭✭Gael85


    Picked up a hamstring injury in 2019 and never got back in after that. Left the panel after league last year to get a few games with the club Lucan Sarsfields. Like Brian Fenton was a late developer. Was playing great stuff before the injuries. He is son for former Galway footballer Fergal Gavin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,709 ✭✭✭✭Green&Red


    I heard this second hand last week from a mayo player.

    Alan Dillon and Andy Moran felt they wasted four years of their career until John O'Mahony, where standards slipped from the high levels of Mickey Moran and John Morrison. Said JOM wasn't attending half the training sessions even. When they saw standards slipping under Holmes and Connelly they acted quickly. Looks very much like the Dubs are in their JOM phase



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,198 ✭✭✭PressRun


    Have to agree on the lack of championship feel about the games so far. No bite to most of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,780 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Interesting first round anyway. All provincial winners below par.

    Having a few weeks prep seems to have done Mayo, Monaghan and Roscommon a power of good, even Tyrone might have got a result if they kept 15 on the field.

    Losing finalists Clare and Armagh poor also, Louth played reasonably ok I guess despite losing and Sligo had a good result albeit against Kildare who just love taking a 1 step forward, 2 steps back approach to the championship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    Dublin made their exit at the semi final stage the last two years I'll be surprised if they have a "peak" in them to get any further this year. Kerry's don't looked anywhere as solid defensively as they did last year and haven't filled the void of the retired David Moran in midfield, maybe they'll improve but they'll have a tougher route now to reach the last 4.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 353 ✭✭rodmn2377


    I thought Roscommon did great on Dublins main men Fenton, kilkenny, Mannion,Mc Carthy,Con... i felt they didnt have the influence they have in a lot of Dublins games... i feel when Mc Caffrey isnt playing Dublin are a completely different team... he injects that pace into them and seems to bring so many other players up to that pace... i think Mark Mc Hugh has brought a real grit and structure to the defence in Roscommon which was always a weak spot..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭Jock_Ewing


    He's around 33 isn't he? It feels to me he aged quickly enough, in football terms, around 31, Barney the dad was similar. Best work in their earlier years. I remember Barney at 31, in the Meath games in 1991 being a pale shadow of the 1983/85 player.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,243 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    His presence and general play has dropped off massively over the last couple of seasons. He still has his moments but it seems he's getting worse the less he plays at this stage. Even his kicking is not on the level it was which is strange. At one stage the guy rarely ever missed no matter where he was kicking from now you're not sure what is coming when he steps up. Last Sunday it felt like he took that free trying to prove a point and wasn't his usual calm composed self and just fucked it. He comes across as a guy who was always incredibly confident in his abilities and it seems to be affecting him now that he's past his best and doesn't start games anymore. He hasn't adapted his game like some players would at this stage in there career.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Do you remember Ciaran duff getting two goals against Donegal in a league game in breffini park to steal the win? (I think it was 1991 or 1992)

    Ah one my finest early nostalgic memories of going to dubs away games with my dad!



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