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Phillip Schofield steps down from ITV after affair with "much younger male"

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,828 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Work colleagues in this situation of significant age difference, where the older party has been a patron in the sector to the younger party and in contact since the age of 15???

    Really?

    You know many "colleagues" where it played out like that?

    These weren't just "colleagues" were they. They weren't peers, or independent of each other's work who happen to be in same company. One appears to have played a very significant role in getting the other hired and boosting their career.

    You continually downplay this aspect with your language.

    So sure, keep up the strawmanning.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,326 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Yeah but that sho1te doesn’t interest me- feels too much like reading about a workplace issue 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,828 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I posted it more to show how the media narrative is developing wrt This Morning.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,233 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    It’s far more common than you seem to realise.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,067 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    You continually downplay this aspect with your language.

    Similar to Harvey Weinstein?

    🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,828 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    With someone known from when they were 15 years old that they played a role in getting hired?

    You're just making stuff up now.

    And when it does occur, the issue is in sorting out the genuine cases from those where is a power imbalance and element of coercion \ abuse.

    Which is why there are professional codes of conduct, rules about affairs between direct line reports etc and the potential for abuse and harrassment in such relationships is why they are seen in a different light in 2023 than say 1963 or 1983.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,067 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    What narrative?

    Serious allegation was made in the workplace, that workplace took that allegation to external independent review? Hardly any sort of evidence of a toxic culture, opposite if anything.

    You do realise employees can be troublesome díckheads too right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,828 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    What I actually wrote was:

     I said similar to. I did not say exactly like eg Harvey Weinstein.

    You seem to have trouble understanding what similar means, and now have to resort to quoting sections out of context.

    Once again you are unable to refute or engage with the points made.

    The general point of concern is about creating opportunities for possible sexual exploitation through power imbalance, where someone feels their career is being assisted because of sexual relationship. This is why professional codes of conduct are important.

    Harvey Weinstein's actions are part of the reason why such power imbalances are viewed rightly with suspicion.

    That doesn't mean all such relationships are of the same nature as Weinstein, or that what happened with Schofield was of the same order BUT it means the difficulty in determining that means the safest course to protect both parties is for them to be forbidden.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,828 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Sure the workplace culture was all happy, which is why we now see some more ex employees coming forth to speak about it.

    Did they investigate it as seriously as they investigated Schofield's affair with the junior employee?

    The one which has now been shown to be true?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,067 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    You mean Holmes who can't decide whether ITV is the most woke channel on the planet or the most toxic?

    Did the affair go to external independent review?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,828 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    This is what I actually wrote:

    Harvey Weinstein's actions are part of the reason why such power imbalances are viewed rightly with suspicion. That doesn't mean all such relationships are of the same nature as Weinstein, or that what happened with Schofield was of the same order BUT it means the difficulty in determining that means the safest course to protect both parties is for them to be forbidden.

    'emotional hyperventilating' - pretty obvious sign you've run out of actual points to make when you have to resort to this and picking out one liners from other people's posts to misrepresent.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,067 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Well no this is what i replied to.

    It was you that subsequently suggested similar to Weinstein.

     BUT it means the difficulty in determining that means the safest course to protect both parties is for them to be forbidden

    LaLa land, colleagues are going to fúck each forever.

    Strawman of that violent rapist is not going to change that reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92,394 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    There is more than just an affair for Phil, it seems the words bullying, taking advantage, toxic work environment, cover up, lies, grooming, etc., all been talked about, his agent, friends, colleagues, ITV, charities etc., are all distancing themselves, I think there is more to come out

    If this was someone else, it would a major talking point on This Morning and Loose Women

    I don't think you can equate Phil with Caroline Flack and be kind but I am sure someone will compare and use mental health depression

    Holmes, Wootton, Holly and so on are just back tracking as they knew and went along with everything, all the praise for Phil is his now we know staged big coming out reveal show

    Well that's my take on it, my opinion



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    You are obsessed with the thought of these 2 people having “known” each other since one of them had been 15. It’s irrelevant because the job was apparently only facilitated once he was 18.

    I’m finding it hard to believe that you have never come across roles being traded for favours incl. extra marital activities. Not everything is abuse just because you perceive it to be morally wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,828 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Sure, tell the HR and legal departments that draw up such codes of conduct they are in la la land.

    They just drew them up for the craic, not because companies were left dealing with the fall out when such things turn sour, like sexual harassment and misconduct cases.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,067 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    And these documents have stopped people fúcking each from work have they?

    I can't Mary, Anne from HR has a document that "forbids" it.

    😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,828 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Eh I'm not obsessed, it is one of the points of this case. It is not irrelevent. It speaks to the pattern of behaviour.

    I have never come across roles being traded for that. I don't know what industry you work in but all I can say is that I have not.

    I didn't say everything was abuse what I said was due to the difficulty of determining what was abuse and wasn't, that is why there's codes of conducts that such relationships should not be permitted. Such trading can run the range from relatively benign to the realm of Harvey Weinstein. We don't know exactly where on that spectrum this case falls.

    I would also add, the impact on other colleagues where they see another employee advanced because of such relationship rather than on professional merit can be a factor in creating a 'toxic' workplace.

    Another reason companies prohibit them.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,828 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06



    You are the one who claims they don't, and have zero effect - completely without evidence.

    Nobody said they stop it happening 100% but if you think it hasn't prevented instances of 'fraternisation' whatsoever, take it up with the experts who do.

    I know which side is more credible.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,535 ✭✭✭Gadgetman496


    ITV has instructed a barrister to carry out an external review of the facts following Phillip Schofield's departure from This Morning and subsequent press statements, chief executive Dame Carolyn McCall has said in a letter seen by the PA news agency.

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,724 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    It helps to prevent the 60 year Office Manager; Mr Bogman from inviting Holly; the 15 year old work experience girl into his office for a game of bury the sausage after getting her a nice job at the office when she turned 18. Yeah, it happens, but at least the rules will give the company a way of firing his áss when the relationship is found out and or turns sour.

    You making fun of such rules is very odd. Unless you think such actions are acceptable?

    You do realise the scenario above is quite different to two colleagues of similar stature, or in different departments having sex, right? The first scenario is similar to a sleeze ball owning a topless bar and gesturing for sex from applicants in return for a job.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,067 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    There is no documents that "forbid" work place relationships FFS, they are not unlawful.

    They certainly shouldn't be forbidden based on the fact that some convicted violent serial rapist worked in a warped industry in America.

    Survey

    Fúcking.

    Clutches Pearls.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,067 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Documents stop rapists raping?

    We should just get rid of laws and have documents.

    Epic strawman.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,724 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    You are becoming very defensive. Has a nerve been touched on in the conversation? Or have you just run out of rational argument?

    Documents don't prevent rape and neither do laws, but either of them set out at the very least by the relevant authority (employer or justice system) the expected behaviour, or what one should avoid at work/life in general.

    I worked in an office with a policy of no romantic relationships with colleagues. It didn't prevent some people from pairing up. While such policies go against the rights of individuals and their privacy, it is understandable why an employer would bring in such a policy, enforceable or not. Some places have it as an unwritten policy. Break it and another reason is found to drop one, or both parties from employment.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,067 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I don't know which industry or where you work in but in Ireland Employment law is quite stringent. There is no such thing as "unwritten policy".

    If an employer invents a reason to fire someone, than that employer will probably find themselves in the WRC.

    If someone rapes, sexual assaults or commits criminal coercion they will find themselves in front of the courts.

    Just likes this absolute díckhead.

    Times have changed and have changed for the better.

    Making the workplace a weird dystopian grey floor where humanity doesn't exist is not just unworkable it's grim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Yes, the obligatory code of conduct and health and safety trainings…do people really adhere to those? Not really. Of course it causes frustration but it happens anyway.

    I think the age angle is irrelevant because he was of age when he got the job. I don’t see a pattern here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,981 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    His brother is not a paedophile. The “child” in question was over the age of 16. I’m not defending him, just being strict on the labeling here.

    Paedophilia is quite a clear definition, and age is not the only criteria involved.

    Im always amazed how quick people can be to label a person a paedohile based off the use of the word, “child” in reports.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,326 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Eh…no. You’re completely wrong on that front.

    The child in question was 13 when the abuse started

    “The brother of Phillip Schofield has been found guilty of sexually abusing a teenage boy over three years, prompting the television presenter to say he has disowned his sibling.

    Timothy Schofield, 54, a civilian police worker with Avon and Somerset police, had denied 11 offences but was convicted by a jury at Exeter crown court on all counts.

    Robin Shellard, prosecuting, had told the jury the offending began when the boy was 13. He said: “This was a teenager who was criminally abused when he was 13, 14 and 15, and it is something that only came to an end when he was sure enough to deal with it.”





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Then he is probably a hebephile, rather than a pedophile. If it was to transpire that both brothers share this interest that would make an interesting case for therapists. So far only one has been proven guilty and the second one appears to be tarred with the same brush, which is a pity really.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92,394 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    And Phil knew but stayed quite



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