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10kWh LifePO4 DIY Battery Addition..... Here is my write up.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭hexosan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,451 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Have you a link for that? Price including VAT? That seems extraordinarily cheap.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭Mr Q


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    Allen He from Docan Powers sent me the quote in April. Contacted through Alibaba.

    I purchased EVE cells from them before which they said would be closer to 290Ah than the advertised 280Ah and they were. So when he states these are close to 300Ah I would believe it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,451 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    It says "including customas (sic!) clearance and taxes" but I'd say that doesn't include the 23% VAT you almost certainly will be charged before the stuff is delivered to your door though!


    Go ahead with it anyway by all means though and let us know how you are getting on. The EVE type cells almost always have full capacity, so that €1745 per today's rates for 14.3kWh actual capacity means just €120 per kWh, which is great value. About the same as what I have paid for the physically and safety wise superior CALB cells, had they full capacity. But they don't.

    Don't want to be a spoil sport, but I suspect you will get hit for VAT and then it no longer is such a bargain

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,634 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Alibaba stuff always arrives with vat and duty due, something to note.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭hexosan


    With Vat and An Post handling fees you’d be close €2200. Plus a 4/8week delivery wait. NKON say they’ll arrive within a week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭Mr Q


    I have purchased 32 EVE cells from them before, the VAT is already paid on them. They came straight through customs without any delay or additional charges.

    But obviously anyone buying should confirm this first with any seller.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭Mr Q


    You can ask for or select DDP on Alibaba depending on the seller/listing.

    Everything that comes from them will not still have VAT and Duty to be paid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,451 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Well, €1745 for over 14kWh of true capacity is a bargain. Go ahead everyone and buy them and sell me your old CALBs 😁

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,634 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    We bought stock there (commercial stuff for resale, unrelated to PV) and despite the seller claiming it was DDP we had to pay a few hundred to release the parcel both times. Alibaba were no help either

    Aliexpress sellers seem to have all in shipping done right.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭Mr Q



    I've never had that issue using Alibaba and DDP, not yet anyway.

    AliExpress is definitely better set up for that side of things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,601 ✭✭✭championc


    Maybe safer to get an Ex extras pricing, in the knowledge that you know and expect to pay the required fees at this end



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 727 ✭✭✭BuzzFish


    16 cells arrived last week from PWOD and just unboxing. I'm going to be short 9 busbars to make up the 2p16s pack. He threw in a few extra but not enough.

    Anyone just get a length of copper pipe, flatten and drill out? Could be a handy approach, right?

    My invertor is small, 3.5Kw so max draw likely to be 70ish amps



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,659 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Lots here have, I preferred short copper strips from Amazon, came in a few days. You'll likely be top balancing 4 or 8 at a time to begin with so won't need them for a week or so

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 370 ✭✭_dof_


    Further on this..

    I cleaned all the battery terminals, and the upper and lower surface of all bus bars, and applied copper paste to the top of each battery terminal, the top and bottom of each bus bar, and the top and bottom of each ring terminal (both the ones for the BMS sense wires and the ones on the 16mm2 cables to the DC breaker),

    Didn't solve the problem unfortunately, as soon as the Sofar tries to discharge, I get the same error as before. Reporting 0 or 0.2V on Cell1 &2 and the Seplos shuts down. I had real time recording running in the Seplos during this time, and it doesn't show any voltage drop on cell 1 or 2.

    It seems the Cell1 and Cell2 seems to be a common feature, and it doesn't necessarily mean the problem is with those cells?

    Any guidance, suggestions or advice welcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭randombar


    Any update on this one? Mines randomly shutting off too even though recorded cell voltages look ok.

    Cleaned 2 need to clean the other 14 over the next few days.

    Also going to get Neey to talk to HomeAssistant so I can log the voltages from that also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 370 ✭✭_dof_


    Not yet unfortunately. Wasn't getting any response from Seplos either, but today they replied and CCed the tech person, Alex I think.

    So, I'll provide all the details to him and hopefully he can give me some guidance. It's a bit annoying to be exporting so much to the grid these fine days instead of storing locally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,601 ✭✭✭championc


    Disconnect the Seplos CAN cable from the inverter, and setup the inverter as a "Lead-Acid". Then you will know if it's something within the Seplos and what it sees, is what's pulling it down



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭randombar


    I’m wondering if people have the Neey then what exactly is the need for the Seplos at all?



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,407 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Neey is just a balancer it does not provide the any protection to the battery.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭randombar


    Would home assistant reading the voltages controlling the Sofar do similar?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,451 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I had a Neey and no BMS for a good while. But if you don't use a BMS, then YOU are the BMS. As long as you are aware of that 😁

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,601 ✭✭✭championc


    And with no BMS, you'd also need to input some sort of parameters into the inverter, where the inverter then thinks you have Lead-Acid's connected, and will calculate the SOC% based on those parameters.

    This is one area where the Sofar fails miserably



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,451 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Indeed. The second reason I got rid of mine (the first reason was that it could only charge / discharge at 60A, which is not enough for me) although if you set the minimum SOC to 20% it's not all that bad most of the time, but you need to monitor it.

    And most inverters do not do anything with any SOC they calculate, they work off voltages you define, as they should. Just as well because they don't know what they are talking about. But cheap BMS don't know what they are talking about either when it comes to deciding what the SOC is.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭randombar


    Very similar issue now, cell 1 to 204 and cell 2 to zero.

    Would be great if they had a new firmware to sort this one out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,601 ✭✭✭championc


    Could it be an issue at the plug connector end ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭randombar


    Not sure how, the fact that it works for hours fine and then just has a heart attack randomly.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,659 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Is it just me or do all these voltage reading issues appear on the first few cells?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭randombar


    Yup, always the first two. One of the lads swapped cells, connections etc and was still the first two. Head wrecking.



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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,407 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    It feels like a loose connection.. on the seplos. maybe a bad solder joint. temperature related?

    Its not the cells though



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