This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

Gumbo · 27-05-2023 08:23AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120642892#Comment_120642892

10.9% from Joe Duffy VW was the official figure yesterday the sales team.

There’s an offer on this weekend of 4.9% to shift the vast excess stock they have at the moment. They have cars from last September sitting there unsold.

unkel · 27-05-2023 08:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120646230#Comment_120646230

I was actually one of the very first reservation holders on the ID.3. On the Irish launch event in Weston in 2019 (only for press and reservation holders) I was a bit taken back by the cheap low quality interior, which was a huge step down from the eGolf. But at the time I expected the entry level of the car to be around €28k, and that was (and still is) econobox money for a new EV. My car at the time was the Ioniq 28kWh, also an econobox, so I have no problem with that.

But what really disappointed is that VW had advertised the ID.3 as being the size of a Golf but with the interior space of a Passat. That was simply a lie. There is no space for 3 average size adults / teenagers in the back, not even at a push. The rear bench is simply far too narrow. There is in the Ioniq (at a push). I cancelled my reservation soon after.

fafy · 27-05-2023 09:15AM

looks very reasonable for a long range ID4, seller says he is trading in next week.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/volkswagen-id-4-long-range-82kw-battery-204bhp/34164594

unkel · 27-05-2023 09:23AM

That's a lot of EV for your money. I'd buy it. Good find.

eagerv · 27-05-2023 09:23AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120646230#Comment_120646230

We and many others here were amongst the first buyers of the ID.3 here in this country. Starting at about €33K for a fairly well equipped 58kWh 204hp RWD car, there was little competition at the time. Prices were actually forecast to drop and probably would have had the whole industry not suffered such shortages at the time. I do remember in the UK for a short period that a base (Non 1st model) was available for about €27k but that did not last long.

That is probably what VW was aiming for, as a mass produced small family EV. Priced same as a Golf, pay extra for spec etc. I always felt is was a great value, fun car. Plenty of room for 4 full size adults and a good boot. I even thought the simple modern interior was pleasing to the eye, perhaps that's why I like the Model 3..😊

sk8board · 27-05-2023 10:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120646420#Comment_120646420

This is a good point - the ID3 needs to be considering in the context of what else was available in late 2019. the model 3 was only just starting to get delivered, after a 3 year wait (for Irish buyers) and VW announced and delivered the ID3 in about 5 months, ditto the ID4 a year later - you get the impression VW knew the ID3 ‘product’ needed to be better, hence the reasonably early announcement of the refresh

Gumbo · 27-05-2023 10:27AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120646408#Comment_120646408

Should be some truth to it, it’s was €37,500 yesterday so a quick weekend drop.

Gumbo · 27-05-2023 10:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120646545#Comment_120646545

The ID was announced at the Paris motor show in October, 2016 so the same 3 year wait from VW on its release in 2019.

4 year life cycle seems the norm with the Germans. BMW do exactly the same with their LCI’s.

eagerv · 27-05-2023 10:43AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120646567#Comment_120646567

The ordering started in 2019, cars weren't available Europe wide until autumn 2020. In Ireland iirc a few were with customers before the official VW release date.

Back on track, I think that Silent's Tour looks a good car for someone in the market for a long range EV even with the four seats, for normal driving in this country I would imagine fast charging would be a rarity..

sk8board · 27-05-2023 10:56AM

The first Irish ID3 deliveries were Sept 2020 according to beepbeep.

the refresh was announced Fed 2023, just 2.5yrs later.

Midlife refresh announcements tend to happen when the cars are ready for delivery, so there isn’t a bunch of older stock - VW seem to be happy to cull the current ID3 production, offer deals to shift older stock, and get the facelift out there a few months later, but (we hope) be the model the original ID3 should have been

unkel · 27-05-2023 11:06AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120646545#Comment_120646545

ID.3 took at least as long as the Model 3 from announcement to delivery. But you are right in that there was quite good availability at the start. And very decent prices as well, particularly for the ID.4. That's long since gone though. We are still waiting for that entry level ID.3 for €28k (after the €5k grant) that we were hoping for back then. VW can't do that without making a loss.

Gumbo · 27-05-2023 11:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120646588#Comment_120646588

Yes first orders in 2019 for delivery within 6 months or so. But it was announced in 2016.

Im simply disputing the previous comment of 3 year waiting list for the model 3. I suppose it’s 2 different brands and one allows order from concept and the other allowed orders when available.

VW Buzz is another example. You can’t actually buy one at the moment I believe. JD have a waiting list and only one demo.

unkel · 27-05-2023 11:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120646686#Comment_120646686

And the VW Buzz is the most overpriced EV in history 😂 But VW is getting that one right, plenty of demand at that price, so a very healthy margin for them.

fafy · 30-05-2023 04:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120646408#Comment_120646408

droppped a grand to 35k, was 36k

unkel · 30-05-2023 04:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120658795#Comment_120658795

I'm sure a good few grand less than €35k will take it. Good buy for someone if they can live with the terrible software.

Gumbo · 30-05-2023 08:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120658946#Comment_120658946

If you can get it on 3.0 it’s seemly ok and will update to 3.2 OTA. But it is a step back UI wise getting into on from say a Tesla UI in my opinion.

VW rep told me Saturday they were offering mid 30’s on ID3 and now down to low 20’s so I’d say his trade in offer issue 20’s.

unkel · 30-05-2023 09:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120659708#Comment_120659708

Yes pretty severe drop in values in the last month or so. Teslas got the first hit, but it's everywhere now except maybe the very bottom of the market. Going to be a lot of disappointed sellers. Like the guy who sold me his i3 last night 😂

sonyvision · 30-05-2023 09:28PM

Wife's gearbox in the merc is given trouble, likely only a few months before it totally dead. Options are MIL leaf 40kw been traded in end of the year, or go test drove a M3. My worry is warranty with a Tesla but I'll still test drive one 😄.

Any boardies selling their EV? Probably have 20 or 25k

unkel · 30-05-2023 09:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120660077#Comment_120660077

You don't say much about what you need the car for, how big it needs to be, what range it needs to have, etc. If you give us more details, we will give better advice.

But do go test drive that Tesla Model 3 and see what you think. All Model 3 still have a bit of full Tesla bumper to bumper warranty left, the earliest cars were sold in late 2019

If you are patient and look and negotiate hard, you should be able to pick one up for around €28k. Probably coming down as we speak.

sonyvision · 30-05-2023 09:41PM

95% of my journeys are Dublin based family live down the country and is 165km motorway door to door. Wife doesn't want to rely on public charging so need to make it door to door. I know most cars will make this without issue but she needs the buffer so in the dead of winter at 120 KPH it won't be an issue.

I have a driveway and will get a 2nd charger installed in the folks when I visit.

No kids yet, but planning in the next 18 months, so space for a buggy, bags etc. Hrm 28k sounds decent ill be able to stretch to that.

unkel · 30-05-2023 10:36PM

You have loads of options, something like a Hyundai Kona has even more range than the Tesla and can be picked up for around €25k these days for a 2020 or so with a couple years manufacturer's warranty left. You could even buy a budget brand new EV like an MG4 for a few grand over budget.

Take your time, do your research, go test drive cars, best of luck!

ionapaul · 31-05-2023 09:53AM

Hey folks - looking for a little advice. We are currently a one-car household, I drive a Volvo XC40 fully electric work car, which I love. This September my oldest son will be going to school and my wife needs a run-around car, that will not be doing that much mileage or distance.

The furthest daily journeys would be occasional trips from Stepaside, Dublin 18 to Portmarnock, Co. Dublin roundtrip, so 90km total. But otherwise daily usage would probably be under 10km on average. Doesn't need to be big, just big enough to accommodate two child seats in the rear.

We don't have a set budget, but thinking between €5k-€15k is about right. I know that's a big range! Any recommendations for types of cars to look at, what might represent good value at present? I am aware that the best value in the game at present is a new Tesla, but don't think she'd be interested in that much car TBH.

unkel · 31-05-2023 10:05AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120661220#Comment_120661220

You won't get any EV that can do that trip for the bottom end of your budget. And I wouldn't recommend a Nissan Leaf 24kWh as it would struggle to do 90km on a bad winter's day. So then you are talking from about €8k for a Nissan Leaf 30kWh, a couple grand more for an early BMW i3, a couple grand more again for a Hyundai Ioniq and a couple grand more again but still in budget for an early eGolf.

At the moment there is an Ioniq for sale with an asking price of €13k, read back a few pages in this thread to find it. That's a lot of car for that money.

ELM327 · 31-05-2023 10:05AM

IONIQ28 - /question

Gumbo · 31-05-2023 08:09PM

That ID4 sold now.

Gumbo · 31-05-2023 08:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120661220#Comment_120661220

Anything Leaf 30 kWh and above will cover that.

Buddy Bubs · 31-05-2023 10:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120661286#Comment_120661286

I'd second that ioniq unkel mentioned. Showed it to my mother, myself and 2 siblings were going to buy it for her but she had no interest.

patmac · 01-06-2023 11:20AM

I have a 191 Ioniq (100k fully serviced) one owner(me) which I love and a Nissan Leaf 171 30kw teckna (67k). I would like to go up a few years to a new or used car with a better range, keeping one for my SO. The only way of funding this is by selling either one privately as garages are offering silly money. What could I reasonably expect for either thinking along 19k for the Ioniq and 14k for the Leaf?

any advice gratefully appreciated.

ELM327 · 01-06-2023 11:37AM

I think both are a bit overpriced and certainly not a bargain. Ioniqs are going for as low as 13k on this thread.

sonyvision · 01-06-2023 12:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120665739#Comment_120665739

Would you care to disclose how much the garaged offered? Plenty of EVs been relisted with price reductions but the prices are a little high for a private sale. Is your 191 the 28kw version?

This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

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