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New Irish Rail Intercity, Commuter and DART Timetable Public Consultation

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭Economics101


    I think that the lower utilization of the MkIV fleet is related to the closure of the Heuston Valeting shed, which used to handle MkIV maintenance overnight. This is now done at Inchicore, and may not involve as much overnight staff, so some MkIVs will not be available due to daytime maintenance.

    I think that this kicked in around 2009/10, at the time of the economic crash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,842 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Starts 22nd May according to IE.

    The return as a scheduled working should really make the case for the Mullingar one.

    https://twitter.com/IrishRail/status/1655546888995713025?s=20



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Just came on to post this 😅

    Glad to see some later service along the Rosslare corridor past Greystones!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,622 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    it's an improvement, though 8pm is still pretty poor for a last service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Oh indeed, but it's a start at least



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,738 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The Mullingar one is tricky as the set returns non-stop to Dublin to operate the 23:40 Pearse-Dundalk, and has a tight turnaround.

    You couldn't add stops en route which passengers would want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,738 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Given the ongoing shortage of drivers, I think that to be fair it's great that the first additional service to the timetable is on the southeast line.

    It's also a bonus that it returns in service, which it couldn't if it were any later as the city centre stations would be closed.

    As I posted before, increases in the timetabled services will be on an incremental basis as new additional drivers pass out, and I think it's a case of having to be patient.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,622 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    One bonus is that it provides an extra service back into Dublin from Bray/Greystones/Dun Laoghaire after the last Dart.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭TranslatorPS


    Exactly – there are 6 minutes for the turnaround in both Mullingar (22.17–22.23) and Pearse (23.34–23.40) :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,461 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    It's great to see this service coming on stream. The driver situation is working through. Plenty of classes in the school at different stages, which will be coming on stream. There remains a shortage due to long term illness and retirements plus a heavy reliance on rest day working, but they are getting on top of it at last.

    With every hop the next timetable consultation will be able to actually deliver more of what people have been asking for.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,642 ✭✭✭Noxegon



    Kildare service is solid from Mon-Fri.

    I hold out some hope that they'll start running the Hazelhatch/Grand Canal Dock trains on a weekend – if they do I'll be better able to leave the car at home.

    I develop Superior Solitaire when I'm not procrastinating on boards.ie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,738 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    They will happen eventually, once enough new drivers pass out - it just takes time (over a year) to train up new drivers, and they are gradually introducing new services across the network on a phased basis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,168 ✭✭✭trellheim


    I have noticed in recent times the trains are far more rammed all day long. I had the misfortune to get the 3:20 or thereabouts back from Kilkenny to Dublin on Tuesday which amazingly was a 3ICR for comedy clown car purposes. It is not the midst of COVID anymore. I noticed several MK4s lying idle ( well over a full set ) in Inchicore as I went past - time to get the finger out and run the spares and repurpose the ICRs to where needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,531 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    agree but we know they won't do that.

    they have their regime in terms of rolling stock operations and diagramming and they will not change from it at any and all costs even though it is causing huge issues.

    we are wasting our time, they know best in their imaginations.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,738 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer



    The reality is that the Mark 4 sets did not lived up to what was promised by CAF, and they need far more maintenance than originally planned.

    From conversations that I've had, it would seem that the full service proved too intense for them. So there is going to have to be a mix of ICR and Mark 4 sets in service on Dublin/Cork, plus you are NEVER going to have all the sets in service on a daily basis - you have to allow for maintenance.

    There are currently five Mark 4 sets in daily service, plus one as cover, and one in maintenance. That leaves one further set in maintenance and three spare standard coaches. They swap over, so no sets are lying idle for extended periods.

    That being said, the 41 intermediate coaches for the ICRs are being delivered, and I believe that the first re=formed set will enter service by the end of the year. That will lead to more longer trains being available.

    In the meantime, the fleet controller (a thankless job!) has to also cope with several ICRs being out of service covering the fuel trials and the testing of the re-formed sets with the new coaches.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,168 ✭✭✭trellheim


    But they have had years (since the financial crisis) to work through the MKIV issues. It beggars belief that a full extra set cant be found to run a service . According to what you say above of 8 full sets thats only 5 in service at any time which is nearly 40% of the fleet out at any given time - which is dire.

    Also keeping a full set spare/cover is ridiculous - a 5 ICR kept spare would be better is its more versatile and can cover against nearly any type of set failure on all the routes. Something else going on I'd say here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,738 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    I had a slight brain fade on Saturday - one set at any time is currently out of service due to a modification programme to the Mark 4 sets.

    When that programme finishes, it’ll be back to 6/8 sets in daily service.

    As for using ICRs - there aren’t really any spare going given the two modification programmes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,461 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    I've said it before and I'll say it again. The utilisation of the MkIV fleet is way below par. They do use them and work great (I'm a regular user on them) and are put on top link jobs, just they are not diagrammed anyway enough.

    One of those sets comes out to play for the 19:00 Dublin Heuston to Cork and that's it for the day. One set is out for modifications, which is fine but they have another set available too. The 19:00 was the "spare" set on maintenance during the day.

    I would also like to see a MkIV set head to Tralee each day or Limerick on one of the directs to free up an ICR that way. Think outside the box kind of thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,461 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    1. 07:00/10:25/14:00/17:25. Start Dublin finish Dublin.
    2. 09:00/12:25/17:00/20:25. Start Dublin finish Dublin.
    3. 15:00/18:25. Start Dublin finish Dublin.
    4. Ety Cork - Mallow, 08:00 Mallow - Cork / 09:25/13:00/16:00. Start Cork finish Dublin.
    5. 07:00 ex Cork / 11:00/14:25/18:00. Start Cork finish Cork.
    6. Maint spare / 19:00 to Cork. Start Dublin finish Cork.
    7. Completely spare set, believed to be under mods.
    8. There should be another full set parked up.
    9. Three spare carriages.

    8 x 8 = 64 plus 3 spare = 67 vehicles. There are 8 DVT, diners and 1st class.

    There is a huge under utilisation of the MKIV fleet, both in diagramming and sets in traffic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Ireland trains


    Would a 30 minute turnaround (assuming 2h 30 min travel) be too tight at either end. Would allow xx:00 departures at both end and result in less sets being required.

    If not now, then surely as line improvement works reduce journey time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,738 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    It would be yes. Remember you need the up and down trains to meet at Limerick Junction to offer connections in and out of Limerick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,870 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Waterford line could really do with a later service now. Ie extend the later one from Carlow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,842 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Extra x2 daily Dublin-Belfast Thu-Sat and x1 daily Sun from 8 June-3 September. Appears to be the first joint operation in a while, previos summer additions were booking from NI only.

    Dep Belfast 09:33 and 21:06 Sun 17:05

    Dep Dublin 12:21 and 18:00 Sun 13:00

    https://twitter.com/IrishRail/status/1664665846717743111



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 549 ✭✭✭Mr rebel


    Not sure if this is the appropriate thread but I just went to book online the Killarney to Cork train for tomorrow morning and not only is it sold out, but this message is showing up with it;

    ”Customers are advised that if this service is not available online, it is sold out and as a result tickets will not be available for purchase at the station.”

    First time ever seeing this message. So if I turn up at the station tomorrow morning and buy a ticket from the machine, I’m going to be denied boarding?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,738 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Edited - yes as below - it’s a VERY busy weekend.

    Post edited by LXFlyer on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,842 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Given its a busy weekend with Bloom IE are fully entitled to enforce online only access to services. While they often put the message up I am not sure it's ever enforced in practice.

    Unless you know more and IE have badly worded it.



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