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General Premier League Thread 2022-23 - mod note in OP 12/03/23

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭MurDawg


    Does the title botch job take it away from Arteta? City could finish 13 points ahead while United/Newcastle could only be 6 points short of them.


    Pep has city finishing yet again with 90+ points and likely close to 100 goals



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 58,128 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    O Neil would have a better shout if his players didn't desert the pitch and head to the beach as soon as they were more or less safe. They've been rotten since they hit 39 points.

    As for manager of the season Arteta shouldn't win it as the end of season form has been dire. Howe, Pep or De Zerbi imo. Emery maybe but it might be viewed as him not being in the position long enough which likely counts against him (and De Zerbi to a lesser extent).

    ETH has undoubtedly improved United a lot... But you can't lose 7-0 to your biggest rivals and then pick up manager of the year, you just can't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,109 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    It's an award for the whole season, so I don't think Arteta's claim to it should be scuppered for a bad run after losing his key defender. In the 22/23 season, he got his team performing way ahead of where they were expected to be, and involved in a title challenge that absolutely no-one saw coming, so will be right up there in the running. Had that bad run not happened - or even just been 2 results different - it wouldn't even be a conversation, he'd have it by a million miles - the bad run makes it more of a conversation.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,752 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Especially since I'm sure it was his first management gig, I think he was just a coach, hadn't even managed a reserve team before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,674 ✭✭✭doc_17


    The issue with the time wasting now is that it starts earlier in the match and wastes even more time. The players have so got so good at it. They keep the process of taking a goal kick moving, but slowly. A change I’d make in the morning is that a keeper can only have the ball in his hand for 10 seconds. It’s ridiculous, they hold it for 20-30 seconds and seem to just be allowed to do this non stop. ,



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,952 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    A keeper can only hold the ball for 6 seconds at the moment. The rule just isn't enforced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,014 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    Bizarre team. Ramsdale ahead of Allison or Pope? Estupinan isn't a CB, Almiron isn't a central midfielder and Watkins isn't a patch on Kane who's put up amazing numbers (just not as amazing as Haaland).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,869 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    the rule is currently 6 seconds! No ref blows up on it though. I've only ever seen one GK get penalized for it - Mignolet, from which a goal was scored from as a result.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,854 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    Trying to slot lads into a 4-4-2 more than anything else. Had to shoehorn a Villa player in also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,902 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Wonder how many journos heard that, and didn't point out that many of the charges relate specifically to City not cooperating, and that part of the Uefa ban/punishment was down to not cooperating, and that rather than being found innocent by CAS on that occassion it was simply found that a number of the charges were time barred and iirc CAS said they probably were guilty of those charges but couldnt be punished for it.

    But sure Pep, i'm sure City want this dealt with really quick. I'm sure City won't drag this through the courts for years and years.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭IAmTitleist


    The only games were you could say we did that would be the following:

    Away to Arsenal (gained a point)

    Away to United (gained a point)

    Away to Liverpool (robbed of an onside goal when 1-0 up)

    Imagine going away to all these big teams and doing some time wasting.

    A bit like when Palace, Leeds, Leicester came to St James'.

    51 mins of for the most part attacking high intensity football or 53 mins of turgid long hoof ball defensive shite. Which is gonna be more entertaining i wonder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 483 ✭✭Will_I_Amnt


    On the manager of the season point:



    Most managers have done in or around what was expected - even the sacked ones.

    With the exceptions of: 

    Arteta put Arsenal higher

    Howe got Newcastle higher

    De Zerbi and Potter combined got Brighton higher

    Unai Emery at Villa, played 21 in PL, won 14 - Thats Champions League form if it were over a whole season

    Marco Silva at Fulham

    The job Lopetegu has done at Wolves in 6 months has been really good, 


    The job Gary O'Neil has done at Bournemouth. Nobody was giving them a hope in hell of surviving. Especially when he took over after 4 games and they'd conceded 16 goals in their previous 3. 


    Guardiola may have been expected to win the PL, but it still had to be done. Klopp, Conte, Tuchel and Rodgers certainly failed to do what was expected of them (Conte might be a bit unfair there). And if City get the treble, he'll probably get the accolade in most peoples eyes. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,244 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    He'll probably try to weasel his way into the England set up at underage level hoping to get the senior job.

    Simon Harris is monitoring the situation...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭MurDawg


    Pope doesnt get much credit tbf, he's conceded 11 fewer than Alisson this season and by and large has been an absolute (albeit Time wasting) rock for them.

    Not a better player, but definitely a better season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,869 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Ability wise, Lampard's next job should be on Question of Sport or BT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,952 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    Pope had a well organized team in front of him, Alisson had the Red Sea in front of him.

    Pope has had a very good season but Alisson has been sensational this season.

    Stats linked here

    https://www.squawka.com/en/comparison-matrix/

    and FB ref have Alisson saving 10.1 more goals than expected. Pope is at 1.4. That'd indicate that Alisson has performed better over the course of the season.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,310 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The only balls he should be anywhere near are the kangaroo variety on I'm a Celebrity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Newcastle now looking likely to sign with a Saudi Arabian company for shirt sponsorship.

    Nothing to worry about of course, all above board like with City and their sponsors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,869 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Conceding less while playing in a more settled defence who are playing deeper and don't have marauding full backs to the extent Liverpool do.

    While Newcastle are not setting up the same way that Burnley did when Pope played there, there is a certain amount of extra protection still being given. Pope doesn't have to face a high number of good quality chances. He may face more shots, but can tend to be long range shots out of frustration because the opposition can't breach the defence for example. Or lower quality chances in general.

    Alisson seems to come out on top in 1v1 battles more often than not. I think he is by far the best in the league at that. Rushes out and makes himself big, decreasing the chance of a goal. There was one example recently where Vardy got a chance at 0-0 against Liverpool on the edge of the 6 yard box. One you would expect a striker like him to score from. Allison made it look like a routine save.

    When comparing the psXG on fbref, Alisson has a score of +10.1. Pope is +0.3. (positive being good)

    psXG is different to XG in that XG measures the quality of the chance before it leaves the boot of the attacker. So they could scuff it, blaze it over the bar, miss it etc. Whereas psXG measures the quality of the finish, did they place it exactly into the corner etc.

    Those numbers suggest that Pope performed as expected but Alisson stopped 10 goals more being scored than were expected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,310 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Ya but Pickford screams and roars at people and that's what a goalkeeper is supposed to look like.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭IAmTitleist


    It will have to pass the tests introduced last season by the Premier League so you would expect that it will have to be above board.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭jacool


    Brentford's "crime" is usually around free kicks, where they get a high percentage of their goals from. They are not just hit and hope merchants, but have a strategy for these placed ball scenarios.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,902 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,226 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    i followed the link to opportunities and it seems they are currently hiring 0 people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,226 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    from what i can tell they only look to test the market value of the sponsorship deal. not where this new company got its money from.

    ie: if 20m is the market value, have at it. i hope they look a bit further than that - where does a brand new company get 20m from?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 912 ✭✭✭Infoseeker1975


    The Premier League do not care, they work off the basis that the more money in the league means getting the best players = best for our brand.

    In the long run, it will bankrupt a lot of clubs if they try to compete with City & Newcastle, even if they don't both those clubs will drive up transfer fees, agent fees which can be more than the transfer fee, think Haaland was somewhere around 40m though god knows what the real figure was and wages



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,869 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    PIF own Newcastle.

    PIF own Sela.

    PIF will pump money into Newcastle through one of their side companies to skirt around the whole FFP thing and make it look like it's just your average commercial deal. It's not your average commercial deal. It will be extremely over-inflated for a club who's last PL finishes were 11th, 12th, 13th, 10th, x, 18th, 15th, 10th, 16th. The x represents being in the lower division. No European football in that timeframe either, obviously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,869 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    I wonder if all of Sela's employees will also be those with fake LinkedIn profiles with stock photos, like the Man City sponsors, that are totally legitimate?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,869 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Is that not the (somewhat) aim of Man City (and before them, Chelsea)? In the long run, it will bankrupt a lot of clubs if they try to compete with City & Newcastle.


    Clubs can spend money to match Man City's (and Newcastle) transfer spending for a year or two and build one big team to match them for a few seasons, especially when wages are factored in. The sustained spending power is not there for the majority of other clubs. They have to prioritize, and the money cannot be spent everywhere at the same time.

    Spurs choose to build a stadium, and had to sacrifice the team for a number of years, because they could not afford the big names. Liverpool built 2 new stands and a training ground and couldn't match the sustained transfer spending of other clubs so now have dropped out of CL spots. They had to pick and chose one player per summer. They also had to chose between giving the large contract to either Salah or Mane, not both. Arsenal have built a new stadium and they missed out on CL for years as the transfer spend was not readily available. They built their current team over the last 2 years with a very large amount of spending. I'd predict that they won't be doing that for too long more, certainly not for 5/6/7 years in a row needed to remain at the top table. They just gave Saka a ridiculously large contract that has set a new precedent at the club that may come back to haunt them. Man Utd have learned the hard way with Sanchez / DDG / Pogba, even Luke Shaw. Old Trafford is rotting more every passing season as they are neglecting it, even though a new stadium is needed. Their money is going on transfer spending and wages to match that of Man City and keep up with the jones, even if they are spending it badly.

    Man City are buying players, dishing out the very large wages, and they are comfortable. They can casually throw in an unneeded amount of extra seats to the stadium now, just because they feel like. Man City's infrastructure development is not needed, whereas the likes of Arsenal, Man Utd and Liverpool were all heavily justified.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 912 ✭✭✭Infoseeker1975


    It is and will only get worse with the multi club ownership model as they can use that to abuse spending massively; City have several clubs under their ownership so can buy and loan players in huge numbers; sales between those clubs should be at market rates but obviously it is easy to take advantage of this.

    The Premier league needed an independent regulator, it has not happened and as a result in the medium term several big clubs will likely cease to exist.

    Sky will start to get worried as we live in a streaming world, if City contain their complete dominance then subscription levels will fall off, I cancelled my sky sports [both packages] which I have had for 15yrs as it is easy to access the games of the club I follow online.

    The next tv deal will be very important for most clubs to survive; currently the promoted clubs from the Championship will get more revenue next season than giants of Europe such as Bayern, etc. This has become a huge % of their turnover, e.g. Bournemouth whose ground has a very small capacity. If there was a 50% decline in this, then clubs would be ruined as contracts for the players are not mapped to this, e.g. in 2026/27 50% decline in tv revenue whilst most players have 3yrs left on their contract.



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