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The 2023 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,147 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It's too obvious that the tournament wont start until after the group stages for anyone to get really excited.

    Bit like the Europa league in soccer. Most people won't be interested until they get a sniff that their team might win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,219 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    It would seem to confirm the status of the 2 provinces. Sligo, a distant 4th in Connacht, level with Kildare who are possibly the second team in Leinster, or a narrow third possibly behind the mighty Louth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    Looking at the Sunday game Sligo should have won by 1. One point by Niall Murphy given as a wide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭Lionel Fusco


    Complete lack of game management from Kildare who went from 14-11 up with Sligo down to 14 to 14 all and Kildare down to 13. It didn't help that Joe McQuillan played 7!! minutes injury time essentially playing on till Sligo equalised. TBF though Sligo absolutely deserved the draw.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,931 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    I am disappointed to see the referee getting the blame again, the old chestnut about playing for a draw. But fair play to Glenn Ryan, he is not doing it.

    "Sligo had just secured a draw that felt like a victory, David Quinn’s equaliser arriving some seven minutes and 15 seconds into a bout of stoppage-time that had been flagged to last five.

    There had been some further hold-ups and Ryan had “no crib” about the extra-time allowed by Joe McQuillan, adding: “If we manage it better, if we were playing for the next ten minutes it wouldn’t make any difference.”



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Round 1 refers to the whole Group stage, not just the first games



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭Lionel Fusco


    This further strengthens the argument for 3 tiers not the current 2 IMO. Its not just the TC that has small crowds there was a truly pathetic attendance of 2,933 at Sligo and Kildare yesterday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,931 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Preliminary Quarter-Finals 24-25.06.2023 (Sat/Sun) (Four Games)

    The four second-placed teams from Round 1 shall be drawn to play at home against the four third-placed teams, subject in the first instance to the avoidance of repeat Provincial Final pairings and where possible repeat pairings from Round 1. Home Venues shall be subject to approval by the Central Competitions Control Committee and shall meet the criteria set down by the National Facilities/Health and Safety Committee.

    Quarter-Finals 01-02.07.2023 (Sat/Sun) (Four Games)

    The four first-place teams from Round 1 shall be drawn to play against the four Preliminary Quarter-Finals winners, subject in the first instance to the avoidance of repeat Provincial Final pairings and where possible repeat pairings from Round 1.

    Semi-Finals 15-16.07.2023 (Sat/Sun) (Two Games)

    The four quarter-final winners shall play against each other in the Semi-Final based on a draw, subject to the avoidance of repeat pairings from the championship, where possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,239 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Give it time I say. The fact that Silgo got a good result for them and Colm O'Rourke is taking it VERY seriously to use the Tailteann to rebuild Meath. Which is why he was so would up by Donal Og's comments.

    I think there are good signs for the future. The culture and mindset of the fans just has to change. It is when sides/fans go on about winning 'A Tailteann' as a aspiration/stepping stone then we will know the mindset has chance.

    At the moment there is sort of a stand off attitude towards it. A new thing with no 'tradition'. If the GAA don't give this at least a decade plus I will be fairly annoyed at them. Let it develop and mature.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,147 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I think the lack of jeopardy in the group stage is a big problem for fans. We won't know how popular the tournament is until the knockouts or maybe QF stage.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,931 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    There is a little bit of extra jeopardy compared to Sam. The worst third placed team will be replaced by New York. So getting more scores even when taking a bad beating could have some value.

    Preliminary Quarter-Finals 10-11.06.2023 (Sat/Sun) (Four Games)

    The second-placed team in each of the four groups in Round 1 shall be drawn to play at Home against New York and the three “best placed” third-placed teams in each group. The draw shall be subject to the avoidance of repeat pairings from Round 1 (Group Stage). The three “best placed” third-placed teams across the four groups shall be determined using the following criteria.

    (i) Total Number of Points

    (ii) Score difference – subtracting the total Scores against from the Scores for

    (iii) Highest Total Score For

    (iv) Highest Total Goals For

    (v) Lowest Total Goals Against

    (vi) A Play-Off



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,239 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Fair point, but there are teams that ambitions are not to qualify and just 'have a lash' at the third weakest team like Sligo did with Kildare. I suppose Sligo people did not give their team much hope and did not turn up. And Kildare thought they would coast it?

    Kildare fans are a funny bunch you would hardly see them when their team is plodding along. Then ANY potential success they wash the auld jersey's bright white and come out in force.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭Lionel Fusco


    Oh absolutely I agree give it all the time it needs tiers are here to stay IMO they won't go back to the old way ever again but I just feel there is a very strong argument for a third tier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,239 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    It feels like the GAA are finally moving in the right direction anyway. And this hybrid - league/championship is what they landed on. As teams want a championship, but home and away league instead of the provincials, yet?

    The neutrals might start tuning in more once it comes to the knockouts, as @breezy1985 implied jeopardy makes a match more.

    That is what I miss in the provincials that the back door etc killed. Imagine if it was knock out the last day Kildare v Dublin? The amount of panic etc. Neutrals would have been glued to the last few minutes etc.

    I would like to see the provincials as the pre season competitions in future, that would be the place for them.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,147 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    We found out in the hurling round robin that casual away fans are not very likely to travel long distance because they know that their is a home game to go to instead and hopefully a few bigger neutral venue games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    The price of games is another thing - with three group games @ 25 each (plus at least a 4th game for 3/4 teams), the away game isn't always going to be attractive to supporters. I think 20 would be plenty to charge for these group games and maybe have a three game option available for 50 or something (although this might be hard in some instances with capacity restrictions)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 499 ✭✭TsuDhoNimh


    Brilliant.

    They finally got around to updating https://www.gaa.ie/news/2023-sam-maguire-cup-and-tailteann-cup-structures-explained/ to remove ambiguity around it.

    The only reference to Round One now is in relation to it being the entire Group Phase and what they'd previously referred to as "Round 1 games" they're now referring to as Game 1 to avoid the conflicts. I'd been complaining since day 1 of the release on the lack of clarity there so I'll be delighted to say fair play to them for fixing it. (Still a single reference to Round 3 games for Game 3 using the old language but happy to ignore that like it never happened)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭Lionel Fusco


    Yeah most people will prioritise the home game especially if bringing kids as well I'm actually the opposite I prefer the away trip as an opportunity for a few pints and a bitta craic in a different town.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭SlowChris


    Well, the round robin rubbish started off as I predicted.

    A shootout with no intensity.

    Kerry/Mayo was more like a challenge match than a championship match.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    No matter the amount of tiers or format changes one sided games will always happen. Very poor crowd considering when these two played in a knock out qualifier a decade ago with 13k was in attendance. 15 euro it was for tickets back then to 25 euro yesterday, why HQ didn't come up with package price for the three group games is a bit of mystery.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭Lionel Fusco


    There'll be fewer one sided games with 3 tiers and that will improve the spectacle. The pricing is a big issue 25 quid to watch almost meaningless games is far too much 15 would be enough. Another factor is both Kildare and Sligo contested the u20s AI final last week and many fans chose that over the seniors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭shockframe


    I enjoyed Saturdays games.

    The sense of danger wasn't there yet but more Football is fine by me. Kerry-Mayo is always fascinating.

    It carries almost a sense of exhibition form some games but that could have benefits for Football. Were it to take off you might entice more people to go along and watch.

    Its good for teams in both comps to have more games also.

    The only downside this weekend would have been the one sided nature of the Tailteann Cup games if anything.

    It may not be perfect but you can evaluate after a few seasons what tweaks could be made.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭BENDYBINN


    Now now,…..Kerry haven’t lost in Killarney for 28 yrs…some win for mayo….Even us galwegians were impressed……..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,147 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Me too but that's based on the assumption that I can get a train or a bus with a toilet to the away venue.

    Pretty much rules out anything outside of Munster, Laois, Kildare and Dublin from a Limerick point of view.

    We are lucky being on the Cork - Dublin line and also having the Limerick - Ennis - Galway line. Some counties I really can't blame people for giving some games a miss.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    Say whatever you like about the provincial championships but they attract more to their games than these group games have done so far (and both have the safety net in place of not knock out games) For example 5,677 was at the Sligo's home game against New York and only half the number for Kildare v Sligo? If Laois v Offaly had been a Leinster match a few thousand instead of what appeared under a thousand would be at that match on Saturday.

    In Roscommon v Mayo, Galway v Roscommon, Leitrim v New York, Monaghan v Tyrone,Offaly v Louth, Clare v Cork/Limerick and Armagh v Derry we had plenty of competitive intriguing provincial championship matches and it remains to be seen how many we'll get in the group stage in the All Ireland championship in comparison and will attendance figures improve come round 3 as more should be at stake by then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,903 ✭✭✭HBC08




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭shockframe


    If you take the 4 games that were played 3 were somewhat enjoyable and Clare-Donegal was a bit below par.

    Looking at the Premier League the weekend before last of the 10 games I would be inclined to call 3 of them enjoyable.

    I don't really follow AFL but if looking at this weeks fixtures 4 of the 9 looked to have been close games and ones you could call good.

    Preferably its avoidable to get the provincial final mismatches but with a bit of equality in the games you could argue Gaelic Football doesn't measure up badly in comparison.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,239 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I love that last bit.

    'Even us Galwegian's were impressed'

    😂

    What is a successful year for Galway this year AI Final/SF or only winning the thing?

    I am amazed that more people are not talking about Galway. They should be the neutrals favourites IMO.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    Round 2 fixtures


    Saturday June 3rd

    Cork v Kerry - 3pm - GAAGO

    Westmeath v Galway 5pm

    Tyrone v Armagh 7pm - RTE

    Kildare v Dublin 5pm - GAAGO


    Sunday June 4th


    Mayo v Louth 2pm - RTE

    Roscommon v Sligo 3pm - GAAGO

    Monaghan v Clare 2pm

    Donegal v Derry 4pm - RTE



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,147 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Tipp vs Waterford set for PuC in the Tailteann Cup.

    Must be hoping for a big crowd 🤣



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