Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

Podge_irl · 13-05-2023 10:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120593561#Comment_120593561

In his debut? Nah he came off the bench against maybe NZ but was only called up cause the U20s were physically nearby.

Dubinusa · 14-05-2023 02:55AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120593071#Comment_120593071

Great to see. He's a talent!

Dubinusa · 14-05-2023 02:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120593425#Comment_120593425

I though HB tried to force things a bit. He wasn't bad, by any means, he didn't look calm to me.

14-05-2023 03:36AM

I thought Harry Byrne was pretty good today. I thought he looked good on defense especially.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 14-05-2023 11:53AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120593389#Comment_120593389

Minor knock a few phases previously he was walking it off/stretching but handed the tee over.

Lost Ormond · 15-05-2023 01:28PM

3rd world cup warm up against Samoa in Bayonne August 26th

https://www.instagram.com/p/CsOFWlrBgC9/?hl=en

pickarooney · 16-05-2023 09:20AM

Yayy, let's break a few players just before the world cup!

Lost Ormond · 16-05-2023 04:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120602427#Comment_120602427

You need a 3rd game and you wont and shouldnt just play other 6 nations sides in the warm ups

Crash · 16-05-2023 05:01PM

And at least they're playing an actual team who are in the World Cup and therefore don't want injuries of their own, rather than .... *checks wikipedia* Bayonne?!?

TRC10 · 16-05-2023 05:03PM

The fact that we're playing one fewer warm up matches than usual and scheduling a warm up match in France two weeks before the tournament against Samoa (prep for the Tonga game perhaps?) gives me hope that we're actually putting some thought into our preparation for the world cup and are trying to do things differently.

Podge_irl · 16-05-2023 05:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120604699#Comment_120604699

What could possibly go wrong!?

21-05-2023 12:44AM

If I’m Farrell, i want to talk to Ringrose, Byrne and JGP and ask why the penalty wasn’t kicked? And then what was the plan off the lineout? And finally why didn’t they kick the drop goal when they had the ball dead centre on the 22?

I would not want to see those kinds of decisions in a big ireland game. Its probably a combo of all three players but i’d really want to know what was the process that went into that.

bilston · 21-05-2023 12:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120622558#Comment_120622558

It was a very hard penalty and Byrne had already missed a couple of kicks (albeit touchline conversions).

At the time I felt it was the right call to go to the corner, although in hindsight there were still 3, maybe 4 mins left on the clock, so worst case scenario is a missed kick and get possession back on the halfway line with 2 mins left, so maybe they should have had a shot, but I wouldn't criticise the decision either as I thought it was sound enough at the time.

The bigger issue is Aalatoa's clearout technique which is irrelevant to Ireland.

ersatz · 21-05-2023 12:58AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120622582#Comment_120622582

The time factor is why they should definitely have gone for it. Worst case you retain possession in roughly the same part of the field.

21-05-2023 01:00AM

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I thought that one was marginal. Its a difficult kick but you get the ball back. I get passing that up although i don’t think its the right decision.

Off the lineout though, they work it midfield and they have the ball dead centre on the 22. That’s drop goal territory. Tighten up and set up a platform for a kick, but then suddenly the ball starts going wide. That’s the one that I’d really want to know about.

Before the lineout, did no one say that they want a drop goal from that general area? Did byrne not shout for the ball? Did JGP just ignore him?

Clegg · 21-05-2023 01:01AM

I don't think Leinster's loss should really impact what goes on with Ireland too much. We've seen that Farrell has very much his own ideas about how Ireland should play and isn't afraid to base his selection policies around that even if it does annoy some people.

FWIW I don't think Ireland would be as passive at contesting for turnovers as Leinster were. I feel like Beirne and Doris are given a lot of leeway to hunt for those steals, whereas Leinster prefer to keep as many players in the line as possible.

21-05-2023 01:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120622591#Comment_120622591

I think Byrne could be our starting ten so knowing why he passed up two shots to win it is something i really need to know. Likewise, JGP… did it cross his mind that that was a good area for a drop goal?

if sexton is there this is moot, but he might not be.

awec · 21-05-2023 01:11AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120622591#Comment_120622591

Leinster appeared terrified to contest a lineout until it was too late today. Don't think Ireland would have given up so much free ball today.

Clegg · 21-05-2023 01:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120622607#Comment_120622607

This is true. In the most recent Six Nations, James Ryan stole more lineout ball than any other player. I think it was 6?

Not sure Leinster even jumped to contest the La Rochelle lineout after he went off.

bilston · 21-05-2023 01:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120622590#Comment_120622590

Yes, I would agree on the DG (or non DG), in fact during that pattern of play Byrne took the ball into contact himself twice I think, but both occasions were out wide, maybe he just wanted a better position.

Going back to last week, Crowley went for it early, it was almost like he didn't want to dwell on it, sometimes the longer you leave the harder it becomes. Maybe he just had a better position?

bilston · 21-05-2023 01:27AM

Generally I agree with Clegg that today shouldn't impact Ireland all that much. La Rochelle have beaten Leinster 3 years in a row and it hasn't affected Ireland, in fact Ireland have got better in that time.

The mental toll is more a worry, some of the Leinster players were distraught at the end. But that might just increase the hunger. Hopefully they all just go away on holiday for 2 or 3 weeks (obviosuly the Munster lads still have a huge game to go) and just forget about Rugby for a while and then are ready to go again whenever camp starts.

Camp Farrell seems like a good place to be, so I think it will be all good.

21-05-2023 01:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120622621#Comment_120622621

They had the ball dead centre on the 22. They could have made the platform there.

I’d say Crowley took it early because if you miss you get it back.

The composure they showed in that situation was commendable and encouraging as they could be our 9/10 post world cup at some point.

aloooof · 21-05-2023 03:43AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120622621#Comment_120622621

I went back and had a look at this as I thought the same, but as far as I could make out, he carried it once and hit 2 rucks. It’s not what you want your 10 doing in that situation.

(If I missed one, and there were 2 carries, it’s worth mentioning he had 3 for the entire game).

And I’m almost sure there were at least 2-3 rucks that were in a very similar position to where Crowley got his from.

21-05-2023 04:21AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120622596#Comment_120622596

Byrne should have been Ireland and Leinster's undisputed #1 for a number of years now.

When you're second fiddle these situations will catch up with you.

21-05-2023 05:01AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120622714#Comment_120622714

Over Sexton? I dunno about that .

AbusesToilets · 21-05-2023 09:02AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120622607#Comment_120622607

Can't understand the reasoning for it either. You have some excellent defensive lineout jumpers in that squad, Ryan arguably the best in the business currently. Even a single lift around Skelton would've been something.

Akrasia · 21-05-2023 10:39AM

Byrne and JGP both had poor games and made poor decisions in a high pressure game and it cost Leinster the tournament

That should absolutely feed back to Farrell and his selection decisions for the RWC

The fact that Sexton is still penciled in the starting 10 position is risky enough without relying on a flaky Ross Byrne as his replacement.

AbusesToilets · 21-05-2023 10:42AM

The lack of leadership after Ryan went off is definitely concerning. Someone needed to calm the heads, and no seemed to step up. Perhaps Bryne should've stepped in to take the clearing kicks, given Lowe and JGP were struggling.

Akrasia · 21-05-2023 11:09AM

There are plenty of leaders available to Andy Farrell. Leinster seem to be lacking a bit of that, they can't handle the pressure when the game is tight. Byrne had a chance to show leadership in those closing minutes and he shirked that 100%

Contrast that with Jack Crowley's performance last week

We'll see on Saturday, if Munster can beat Stormers away to win the URC.

Could be interesting conversations, but Munster need to overcome the Stormers first

irelandrover · 21-05-2023 11:19AM

Byrne isn't going to be dropped based on one game when he had been good all year. And I say that as a munster fan.

Obviously the Irish team is mostly leinster, but the players from other provinces that make the Irish team (beirne, o mahony, Henderson, hansen, aki) are all leaders. And that's clearly something leinster missed yesterday after Ryan went off.

Its the big difference between leinster and Ireland, the amount of leaders on the pitch at any time.

And o mahony playing six for ireland allows Doris to play 8 which seems to be his best position.

Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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