Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Yes, we keep on hearing about immigrants being a supposed "burden" and "drain" on resources and infrastructure, but completely ignoring that these half a million migrant workers are tax payers and consumers just like everyone else.

But I thought working class areas don't want them, rural Ireland doesn't want them and posh areas would be up in arms? So distribute them evenly to all.

Condalkin and Santry are good to go for nearly 700 "single men" - doubtless these are all persecuted poets for having distributed peace pamphlets in distant war torn regions! Meanwhile over in the mean streets of Dun Laoghaire, we're going to need to wait for some landscaping work before it's ready to open for these visitors ;-)

Just watch as our govmt "works so hard" on these unprecedented problems #sosomuchcare

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2023/05/17/asylum-seekers-to-be-housed-in-three-new-centres-in-dublin/

No of course not ..but was he given asylum ?

Should everybody seeking asylum be tarred with the same brush because of one ( and am sure there are more but there are checks that are gone through as soon as they are processed as above ) .

By that token nobody should ever be taken in seeking asylum ...is that what you are advocating?

It's really not a question of " importing " or " letting people in " as some people would like you to think .

People have to go through an internationally recognised system and as a country that wants to be taken seriously in the world Ireland cannot just ditch this framework just because it no longer suits / is becoming a but onerous .

We are an attractive country now, because believe it or not , we are deemed to be wealthy and prosperous. Yes hard to believe because our government are not acting like that, only developers , vulture funds and energy suppliers reaping the benefits at the moment.

Our government need to accept that they cannot keep putting extra money aside for a rainy day because the country needs it now !

Healthcare, housing , policing , education and more people on the ground to deal with it all .

Think the thread is concentrating on 'refugees ' and not on the end product .

I do agree that some controls need to be in place , if only to catch up, however . But how to do that? These people are not the same as migrant workers although some may be just that. At least with migrant workers the government can limit the amount and type of visas if they want .

And that's satisfactory to you?

Just keep allowing and facilitating more and more people into the country until they stop coming of their own accord? You know that's not going to happen.

So you agree that having a plan is better than no plan, like now, taking action is better than doing nothing, like now.

So it is in the interest of all those not raking the money in, ie practically all of us, to stop it. That politicians are literally standing in the way of sensible policy.

They don't .

Of course it is after they are housed . Or given a voucher and sleeping bag as of late.

But yes their applications are checked and verified with gardaí and police .

I don't know any more than that .

But my point is to stop one bad guy you would have to criminalise everyone .

That is the impossible target that those who rant and protest about asylum seekers want to impose, which makes a mockery of the system.

Yes , you stop the criminals abusing the system , but by stopping the innocent who need our help also .

You sure do ask a lot of questions , and use a lot of CAPITALS , but I can no more understand WHAT 'S YOUR POINT than I like your inference of conspiracy? Do you get me ? Again and again and again ....

I know that we used to , for a fact ...

Not sure about the present process being honest with you. I would like to hear it from someone who isn't ...

someone in government,

someone in the opposition ,

someone who is ranting about all refugees being murderers and rapists ,

Peadar Toibin!

Jumped the shark here, I think 🙄

My point is supremely easy to understand.

There are more people than ever. Yet there is a screaming deficit of people we need.

There is more money than ever. Yet there is a screaming deficit of investment or apparent use of any of it.

The point is this: it does not make any sense. Not in the slightest.

Similarly, adding more people to a housing crisis year in and year out also does not make sense. Ditto for all other crises.

Yet nary word to be said for an overall plan, or semblance of a plan, or a plan to have a plan. It's just "let's keep doing this"

Fair point, don't you think?

I don't disagree . They have been disappearing . But many are thought to slip over on a ferry to Europe's larger cities it isn't so easy to hide in plain sight here .

Aside said before policing and deportation of those who have failed the process needs to be strengthened.

Good night .

Well if all anyone ever had to do in a debate or discussion was just declare "disagree", we wouldn't get very far.

Why you disagree would add something.

I'm seeing lots of people being added to the country, and practically nothing in way of justification.

On the contrary, I can't count the deficits that are mounting through population pressure.

It just doesn't add up in terms of a sensible and reasoned approach to bettering life. But greed? It certainly aligns with the destructive nature of greed.

Anyway goodnight to yourself too.

You might think it's smart denigrating Irish people in ireland, but I wouldn't count on that working out well.

The facts of the matter are clear. We, as in the native population of our country, are experiencing precisely the expected results of over population. Not a shred less.

No amount of theorising, playing games, or hypotheticals is going to reverse or alter reality. Its not political.

Were there a clearly stated plan, a time frame, a goal, a benefit, literally anything of value put forward that could negate the massing negatives, that would indeed mean something.

But there isn't any of that. Do you know why? Because there isn't any of that.

We are seeing the signs almost daily now, heretofore unthinkable, shanty towns, protests, lack of this, want of that, not enough to go around. The handling and impact of this refugee debacle is one part of a whole.

We'll see where this leads. I doubt I'll be surprised. Will you be surprised?

This chap fairly gets around, kip of a country we're living in atm