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How much did Motorways improve the driving times

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  • Posts: 1,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    M8 only opened in the last 15 years. There was plenty of traffic then.

    Could take 5 hours to go from Dublin/Cork on a Friday night Vs 2.5 now.

    The only issue causing delays now is the constant hogging of the outer 2 lanes, at Naas bypass, and the chronic under policing of that stretch of road



  • Posts: 1,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You're forgetting a few alright, north of Mitchelstown!

    Rathcormac/Fermoy still get choked at times because if that ridiculous toll (Don't care what people say, at the very minimum HGV needs to be toll free)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    7.5 hours from UCD to Caherciveen if you didnt stop.

    Now it takes about 4.5 hours without stopping.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,932 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,932 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    I arrived back in Ireland on a holiday about 15 years ago, and rented a car. The first thing we did was drive from Dublin airport to Limerick city, and as we hit the N7 there was a sign saying Limerick 197km (or something close to that) and I joked to my wife that 'if we keep it at 100km an hour, we'll be there in 2 hours'. Joked, as I had in mind the endless roundabouts around Nenagh in particular.

    But sure enough, all of that was gone, and there was a motorway the entire way to Castletroy in Limerick, and we arrived about 1 hour and 50 minutes later.

    So much faster, easier, and safer.

    Consider that experience and the Limerick-Cork experience through Buttevant and the likes, and with farmers stopping the traffic so that cows can cross the road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,592 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Motorways really opened up the entire country making trips between places much more straight forward even if the place you were going to wasn't specifilly on a motorway.

    We used to travel West Mayo to Dublin - was a 6 hour drive passing through every single town and village en-route, tailbacks of traffics at various locations. Getting out of Dublin on a Friday evening, tailbacks in Maynooth etc While the last portion of the journey hasn't gotten any more convenient the rest of it has and its dooable in less than 4 hours.

    I know a lot of people in parts of Mayo now go south via Tuam and motorway network from there as the journey time is more predicable despite massive improvements being made on the "traditional" route East.

    Laterally would have done Galway-Dublin on a semi regular basis and going through Loughrean, Craughwell, Ballinasloe was tough going.

    Can do Lucan to Galway city now in 1hr 50 odd - would have taken 3+ depending on traffic and longer again when there was no motor way to Athlone.

    As others have said, its the predictibility that has really helped. You know how long it will take you from A to B ans there are far less variables in play from A to B.

    Still a few bits to be done - Limerick Cork, General improvements from Charlestown to Sligo and you open up many more parts of the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,588 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    It was still everywhere but it was for something like 6%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,932 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    It's grand if you get a clear run.

    Noticeably worse getting out and around Dublin these days. M50 seems to have constant traffic jams.

    I find driving on motoways utterly boring to the point of putting me to sleep. But really fantastic to get places.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,932 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Good to know. I'm sure Bertie will be taking all credit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    I remember Cork-Dublin being 4.5-5 hours alright. In the late 2000's I remember doing 3 round trips between Cork and the Northside of Dublin in two days, and each trip was around 6 or 7 hours and I thought that was just unbelievably good at the time!

    I do Cork to Ballina, Sligo, Westport etc a bit and it's still harrowing on the N20 section, but it's come down from a 9 hour round trip to just over a 7 hour round trip at good times.

    I want to re-state that the N20 particularly still needs to be done. Cork-Limerick is totally unpredictable, and can vary quite a lot from around 80 minutes to 150 minutes. Cork-Waterford isn't all dual and it's not perfect but it's a damn sight better than it was. What was 4 hours to Rosslare is now around 2.5!

    Some individual stretches were more impactful than others: The Jack Lynch Tunnel, Ballincollig bypass and Shannon tunnel for instance. But I can barely remember how we coped before the M50.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,615 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    anyway, i used to do a goodd bit of driving around the country in 1999 and 2000, dell field service role. nice memories of spending 20 or 30 minutes at a time driving through skeheenarinky and the like. it taught me a habit i've not broken, that i'm not a fast driver - because your journey time is generally determined not by how fast you'd go on the fast bits, but how slow you'd go on the slow bits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,990 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Yep that looks like it alright. When I was an apprentice we used to go up and down to Galway regularly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,716 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Used to get the bus from Ennis to Dublin quite a bit. Took forever and the driver had to stop for a rest break in Borris-In-feckin-Ossery every single time. A hellhole with nothing but a petrol station and a wierd hotel thingy with a tuck shop that everyone got stranded in for 30 minutes each way on every trip

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,716 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Yeah, doing 100mph for 20 minutes would get totally eaten up by a single traffic light turning red just as you arrive at it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,282 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    I rememeber someone on here a few years ago saying that they rocked up to possibly Larne with a large crane that had to be delivered to Killarney somewhere. Back in the 80s possibly. Based on the equivalent distance in the UK, they estimated it would take at least 5 hours to deliver.


    It took 14.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,407 ✭✭✭BrentMused


    I had to do Dublin Airport to Rosslare Harbour last week.

    It took me 1 hour and 35 minutes, adhering to the speed limit all the way.

    It used to be a semi-regular trip for me and back then would take an extra 45-60 minutes prior to the M11 Enniscorthy to Gorey bypass during busier times.

    Back before motorways, it would easily take 3.5 hours on a good day.

    Once the new N11/N25 Oilgate-Rosslare Harbour bypass is operational, you could realistically do Rosslare Harbour to the Airport in about 1 hour and 15 minutes on a quiet day/night. 😮



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,082 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    There were 2 people killed by trucks in Charleville in the last 2 weeks. Motorways have a human element as well as a driving time one



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,499 ✭✭✭plodder


    I guess nobody should "have to" but I often stop there, to walk the dog on the Greenway. These sleepy places are all immeasurably nicer, since being bypassed.

    My overriding memory of the bad old days was Friday evenings leaving Dublin or Sundays returning, the line of crawling traffic, and the yahoos tearing up the wrong side of the road, not knowing if they'd be able to get back over to the left when they meet traffic coming the other way. Crazy stuff. Accident rates were much higher in those days.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 223 ✭✭Tippman24


    Years ago i remember going to a Tipp/Limerick match in Cork on a whit Sunday. We made good time until outside Fermoy where we lost a least an hour. Reason was a religious procession up the main street of the place. The priest got some amount of abuse from people as they passed.

    What is the with the Cork/Limerick motorway? Is it proceeding or has that great intellectual of a green transport minister, Eamon Ryan, put an end to it.

    Every morning on Lyric I still hear of tailbacks around Adare. Has the great intellectual put the Adare By-Pass on hold also?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,790 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    I remember being stuck in Bray before the N11 opened past Loughlinstown. I think it was 3.5hrs from Dublin to South Wexford at that time; mind-numbing boredom and your legs would be cramping before you even got 20% of the way to Wexford. There used to be a chipper in Newtownmountkennedy called "Yankie Doodle", we all used to laugh at such a funny name. Enniscorthy was hell too - that bridge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,308 ✭✭✭Rowley Birkin QC


    My homeplace is at one of those passing points outside Mitchelstown. I grew up with the sounds of sirens and literal bangs and smashes from car crashes. It used to be absolutely lethal there where people would do exactly what you mention, mash the loud pedal at first sight of a potential gap. Not to mention the Friday evening traffic which would stretch maybe 2km outside the town in all directions.

    I worked on the Motorway construction at the time, the difference in the days after it opened was staggering. Motorway infra is a game changer for this country.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,615 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    several times when i've not been in a rush, i've bailed off onto the old main roads. dead quiet and very wide, a more relaxing drive.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,615 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    this being the internet, you know someone is going to fact check you.

    according to google maps, it's 175km from dublin airport to rosslare harbour. doing that in 1h35m is an average of 123.5km/h; and the M50 is mostly 100km/h limits.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 44,544 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Whilst motorways have ben great at making long distance driving much easier, safer and less stressful, it has allowed us to live further away from the cities meaning way more people now commute long distances to their workplace. This also means that the likes of the dual carriageways in and out of the cities become quite congested in the mornings & evenings. I presume that this need to travel further is, in part, a reason why we have two and a half times more cars now then we did when we had a few short stretches of motorway.

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  • Posts: 1,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeah, it's why I have such a hate of HGVs being tolled. That Fermoy/Rathcormac example is just a horrendously giid example



  • Posts: 1,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Motorways allowed the government to push people into rural development instead of facing down NIMBYs and developing living cities with well providioned high density living. Motorways are necessary, commuter towns are not


    Motorways keep traffic away from towns and villages, reduce accidents, reduce pollution from vehicles idling for hours and accelerating/braking constantly, keep pollution away from towns.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 44,544 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Motorways allowed the government to push people into rural development instead of facing down NIMBYs and developing living cities with well providioned high density living. Motorways are necessary, commuter towns are not

    Not sure if you are correcting me but I didn't say otherwise. Motorways have been great in so many ways for the country. It's just a pity that they enabled more urban sprawl.

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