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The 2023 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 878 ✭✭✭MattressRick


    There'd be even more handpassing and less kicking without the mark.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,240 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Yeah but the advanced mark was never supposed to used as 'defensive tactic' a team can play the play back then hit it forward to kill time.

    Dublin claimed a few marks yesterday to get tap over frees and or take the sting out of the game. It doesn't look right, whole game stops and yer man gets time to kill the clock. Stops the free flowing nature of the game.

    I understand that it was brought in to stop 'scums' in the GAA when players get smothered, but the way it is now it seems just as bad/worse IMO - stops the flow of the game completely. Has to be some tweak they can do instead?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,936 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    As far as I know, the ball in flight can be played into the net with any part of the body. So a slam dunk would be fine. A throw cannot be executed if the ball is in flight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,936 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    You just want Dublin to win Leinster finals by an even bigger margin. 5-21 to 0-15 this year, 5-17 to 1-15 last year. Defences in good teams can stop goal chances happening for attackers from weak teams. It would just finish up with the weak teams squandering half chances for goals, and scoring even fewer points.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,164 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Isn't there some weird football rule that you can't score a header or is that just a myth ?

    Also a slam dunk requires catching the ball I think.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,073 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    It was mentioned a few times yesterday, the red jersey for Derry is their away jersey. White is their home one.

    Common sense would have seen both teams wearing their home jerseys but who knows what went on behind the scenes. Were Derry forced to wear their away jersey etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,164 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Why would Derry be forced to wear the away jersey though?

    The whole "what colour are Derry" thing though is a bit confusing so maybe someone in HQ sent them a message to wear away meaning the white kit. Only reason I can think of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,794 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    I'm not so sure about that. To prevent the 20 yard dink pass for a simple point, teams have to absolutely flood the area behind their 45, leading to minutes of over and back handpassing outside the 45. I very much doubt the mark has improved the amount of lateral hand passing at all.

    The long accurate kick into a full forward is still a very dangerous weapon, mark or no mark. Some of the balls the Dubs kicked into Con yesterday were goal chances if he took them on. Kerry use the kick pass very well also.

    Did either Derry or Armagh use the mark as it was intended at any stage yesterday i.e. a long kick into the full forward line, I'm not sure I remember them doing so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,073 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    I don't know what went on tbh, I was expecting some kind of clarity on it today. Common sense goes out the window sometimes with these things.

    I was only speculating that Armagh didn't want to allow Derry wear their home jersey, I haven't a clue though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭celt262


    When there is a colour clash in Championship both teams are supposed to wear there alternative kit.

    Note: In league games it is the home team who wears the alternative kit. There is no such thing as an away kit in GAA.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,164 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    "Away" jersey is just a common term thanks to the soccer.

    The home wearing the alternate kit goes way back to the days when teams rocked up not knowing the other teams colours. Happens in rugby too.

    GAA rules for championship were usually that both teams would wear provincial colours as clashes rarely happened before that point (Tyrone/Derry and Longford/Wicklow only iirc). You still see it reflected in alternate kits like Down and Kerry who usually wear yellow and blue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 878 ✭✭✭MattressRick


    The tackle in football is such a mess that the long kick into the full forward would more often than not lead to him being surrounded, boxed in and penalised for overcarrying. It's a joke in general the way players can be pinned on the ground by the legs of 3 opposing players and be done for overcarrying when they can't get up!

    I think the mark has brought back long kicking and catching in a time of chronic handpassing, and I welcome that.

    I agree the little dink pass is a headwrecker though. But I'd take it over another 2 minutes of handpassing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,040 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    The thing about the packed defense is there isn't usually space for goals anymore or for good looking goals, such a pity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,040 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    They should have just brought in a rule that no more than 2 players can tackle the player with the ball.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,240 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    That seems sensible in fairness, there has to be some happy medium to improve the flow if possible.

    Way too easy for teams to set up defensively in football and do the slow side to side stuff.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭legendary.xix


    Kerry and Dublin are far ahead in their provincial championships at the moment. The lobsided Connacht draw exasperated the criticisms of the provincial championships.

    Kerry v Mayo and Galway v Tyrone are an interesting start to the group stage. While it is 3 from the group, all 4 will want to get their first win on the board.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭TCDStudent1


    They didn't but Kerry used it in the way you describe in the All Ireland final last year. And it worked for them. I am not sure they would have been as direct without the mark.

    I like the mark because it gives a reward for kicking (regardless of where / what type of kick it is). However, I dislike that it slows the game down so much. Someone mentioned that the time allowed for a kick to be taken was changed from 5 seconds to 15 seconds. I would like to know the rationale behind that change. At the moment, it seems far too much time is given for the kicker. 10 seconds should be more than enough. And I think that if they bounce or solo the ball after they take the mark, that its them playing on. They would be the changes I'd make to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭Lionel Fusco


    IMO the rules just have to be enforced the so called fisted points aren't fisted over at all they are either handpassed over or thrown over refs need to clamp down on this with the help of the umpires. The slap down goals needed to be clamped down on as well as they are being pushed into the net rather than being slapped or punched in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭Lionel Fusco


    It is absolute insane to see people arguing against the Tailteann Cup as well what football needs is more tiers not less. Using ridiculous arguments like Down beating Waterford or Meath beating Tipp to run down the TC is mad.

    Take Carlow as an example beaten by Wicklow first day out yet regrouped to beat Wicklow in a cracking game in the TC in the old days they'd have drawn Mayo or Tyrone or someone like that in the qualifiers been hammered and county football over for the year now the TC has given them a new lease of life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,240 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    A lot of the media are suddenly talking the Dubs up again many seem to have them as second favourites for Sam. I don't get that meself.

    Kerry favourites by a long way - Mayo better all round panel than Dublin lots of pace - I would have Galway as dark horses a really settled side lovely balance to it - Derry are great (when everyone is fit) which is similar to where Dublin are damn all between both sides - and with Derry the system is greater than the sum of their parts, so the players can basically manage themselves.

    In the real underachieving section I would have Cork, Kildare, Donegal, Tyrone. Of those group I can't help thinking of what a top tier manager (who knows what he is at) would do with them. Plenty of raw material there. Dublin are in danger of falling into this group fast.

    The others counties not mentioned are doing OK IMO they have found their levels.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,240 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I know is miles away from All Star time of the year but the All-Stars are flipping pointless. Finalist will get 7/8 semi-finalists three/four. Any then the last few might be between a few lads who stood out in the group stages/quarters/semis.

    But there will be the usual moving around of players out of position, and GAA politics picks. And the real travesty is the likes of Sam Mulroy from Louth who is a class player would never get in a asses roar of an all star.

    They should come up with another system where players like Mulroy are able to get recognition - a medal - day out and a big feed.

    And there should be another selection of these players to go on the all stars trip or whatever you want to call it.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,164 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The real championship only starts now so I don't think anyone can be down as 1st, 2nd or whatever favourite. We won't know anyone's real form for a week or two. We can say which teams won't win it but after that who knows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,073 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Only really starting now but this is how the bookies have it.

    Kerry 7/4

    Dublin 9/4

    Galway 13/2

    Mayo 7/1

    Derry 11/1

    Tyrone 16/1

    Armagh 25/1

    I would have Kerry as clear favourites myself (Wouldn't be tempted by that price though). But after that, I don't think there's as big of a spread over the next 6 as is reflected in the odds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,164 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I think Armagh are beyond the cut off point and also think Tyrone are ahead of Derry based on them having been there a few years ago. All of them should at least have hope of making the final.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭BENDYBINN


    Kerry Dublin mayo Tyrone for me…..the rest just don’t have the killer instinct.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,164 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭BENDYBINN


    They wiped out Kerry and the dubs a few times….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Ya they just got lucky getting through the knock out rounds to reach all those finals



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,164 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




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  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Who will Dublin play in Parnell Park lads in their home game?



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