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Irish Property Market chat II - *read mod note post #1 before posting*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 172 ✭✭Beigepaint


    2 beds from 560.

    3 beds from 675.

    4 beds from 780.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,046 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    I've said a few times now that foxrock no longer has that cachet at the upper end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,132 ✭✭✭RichardAnd




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,132 ✭✭✭RichardAnd


    In twenty years time, residents of Foxrock may refer to the "dort" as the "deart". God help us ....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,046 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    The dort isnt really a factor for them either way now is it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,132 ✭✭✭RichardAnd


    Well I suppose not. It's more of a cor and bus area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    dort or not I wouldnt say no to one of those houses in leafy Foxrock



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,803 ✭✭✭hometruths




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,132 ✭✭✭RichardAnd


    Indeed, though I'm Stillooooooooorgan man at heart thanks to my mom heh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,037 ✭✭✭Villa05


    Is Capitalism out of control (the privatise the profits, socialise the losses version)?

    Wonder has he seen vet fees in Ireland

    Difficulty in finding a stable job, difficulty in keeping one, prohibitively expensive houses, sky-high rents andi nsufficient wages are real problems," he said, sitting alongside Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni.


    "The free market, without the necessary corrective measures, becomes savage and produces increasingly serious situations and inequalities," he added.


    The pope said pets were replacing children in some households and recounted how a woman at a recent audience had opened her bag and asked for a papal blessing for "her baby", only to reveal that it was a dog.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,132 ✭✭✭RichardAnd


    Is this the same free market that awash with state-created funny money?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 645 ✭✭✭J_1980


    nonsense.

    main issue is the endless money creation with government debt that devalues any “work” and work-related income. Without the money creation both the needs-based sponger welfare state and the inherited dynasty wealth would come to an end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭Blut2


    Its too far from the coast and all its amenities - beaches, but also restaurants, cafes etc. And much inferior public transportation access too with no DART.

    If spending €3mn+ on a house theres a much better lifestyle in Sandymount, Blackrock, Monkstown, or Dalkey with still plenty of gorgeous houses to choose from. It makes sense the market in Foxrock would struggle (relatively) in comparison.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,037 ✭✭✭Villa05


    Could lead to tighter credit conditions

    The world’s biggest credit ratings agency, Standard & Poor’s (S&P) Global, said the decision of Tullamore Circuit Court may leave the likes of Pepper unable to service mortgage loan portfolios.

    In response to the Tullamore ruling, the ratings agency issued a note to investors in pools of mortgages sold by banks to vulture funds.......


    The note is essentially saying that forcing mortgage credit servicer firms, to offer low fixed rates over long periods will destroy the loan-sale business model in this country.


    That model involves banks selling pools of non-performing mortgages to vultures, with the administration of the mortgages handled by credit servicer firms




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    They're still only breaking the ice here. This place with be a building site for another 5 years to come. When completed it might be alot better with a town centre that is supposedly to rival dundrum and few parks on door step.i think theyre also putting in 5 new modern schools for all the families moving in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭herbalplants


    This property price dropped from 1,800,000 to 750,000.

    Yet the other day, there was a big chat over some ugly boring house in Killiney bidding war at 1. 2 mill at the minute.

    Strange to say the least.

    Remember the shills only get paid when you react to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭DataDude


    The 1.8m was either a typo or it was previously being sold with an adjoining plot which has been sold separately. That would be 13k+ per sqm for a house thats in dire condition.

    The house in Killiney is far superior to that to the point they aren’t comparable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    You are correct. It was actually being sold with the one joined to it last December anyway. Someone must have bought the other one on its own.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭MacronvFrugals


    Maybe so but buying for potential that may never come is risky imo, surely one would be better off getting somewhere thats already built up. When they were first advertising new builds in CW the headline photo on Daft was a picture of a Luas, says it all really and even then depending on where the property is located it could be an hour by Luas into the city centre.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭herbalplants


    Remember the shills only get paid when you react to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    That place is even more soulless than Sandyford.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,856 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    This is all true, but Foxrock village is only 2km walk from Carrickmines Luas station.

    Anyone living south of the village really isnt far away at all. Plenty of people within 10 or 15 min walk of the station.

    I also think part of the Foxrock appeal is because it is a little isolated. Its very quiet.

    If you have a car, you have the best of both worlds. Quiet location but still very easy to go to the beach, mountains, cabinteely park and plenty of golf courses :)

    Too quiet for me personally, but i can see the appeal to some. I think they are quite happy being a little disconnected from the other villages in south dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,856 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    It wont rival Dundrum as the town centre will be functional rather than destination shopping, but its true that Cherrywood is in its construction infancy and there is plenty more to come.

    I personally would rule it out because any new town/resi area is likley to include a high proprtion of social housing.

    The 2021 20% part v rule plus the fact that councils are being urged to hoover up property for social, means that Cherrywood is easy pickings for the council and could easily end up being 25%+ social.

    You would get a seat on the luas though, so there is that!

    Overall, id opt for a 2nd hand home in a settled area if looking to spend that kind of money.

    Cherryeood aint cheap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,658 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    I went to view a house in a new build estate reasonably close to Foxrock village a few years back, there was a serious hum off the M50 present. It really put me off the place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭JDD


    Here's a curious thing I heard over the weekend - and it has possibly been discussed in some form on this thread in the past.

    I live in Clay Farm in Leopardstown. Last year a house went up for sale across the road from us (lets call it No.7), and went for about €70k more than we expected. €70k more in fact than the new three bed houses that were being released as new in another part of the estate. We wondered what had gone on, and a chinese neighbour of our said that a chinese couple got into a bidding war, really wanted the house so pushed the price up. We were like "ahhhh that explains it", and wrote it off as an anomoly. Two or three months later, two other similar houses along our road went up for sale, and the asking price was about €40k more than the sale price of No.7. Now, both newly on sale houses had more work done to them than No.7, but I thought they were just chancing their arm. No.7 was an outlier. No way would they get the same price.

    Viewing days came, and I happened to see a couple come out of one of the houses after viewing it, and they were Chinese. "That's a coincidence" I thought. Then both houses went sale agreed - both to chinese buyers. Bumped into one of the couples selling their house, and they told us that there is a chinese property agent actively hunting for houses for buyers in our area. Apparently the couples come over, get put up in an apartment in Carrickmines, and then they just wait for a house to come on sale. They particularly seem to like our estate, as I haven't seen the same bump in the houses in the Gallops/Glencairn (no idea why - our houses are nice but there are pros and cons to both estates).

    Now, in general, I have no problem with this. There's a few Chinese families in our estate already, and they are super nice, get involved in the community, their kids are really well brought up etc etc. And perhaps we might get a decent chinese takeaway in the area (I realise these buyers won't be running it - they're probably doctor and engineers, but even doctors and engineers gotta eat). But this can't be the only estate that this is happening in. Has anyone seen similar unusual bumps elsewhere?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,037 ✭✭✭Villa05


    Plenty of sauce for there buddies


    Arresico Ireland was established in 2019 by Gary Lawlor, chief executive, and Michael Stack. Paudie Coffey, the former Fine Gael minister, is a director of public affairs at the company


    Following lobbying by Pinnacle Public Affairs, which is owned by Coffey, the government created an exemption for funds from the 10 per cent stamp duty rate, which was introduced to stop investors buying up houses ahead of first-time buyers, if they ultimately leased the homes to the state



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 277 ✭✭Guildenstern


    Saw a bit of this in London. Indian families buying in a road which in the space of 3/4 years, other Indian families had then arrived. They liked the comfort of having similar people living next to/close to them.

    Looking at the Indian community now in Ireland, high earnings from say tech or the medical professions, I'd expect to see this happening here, but only small scale. These communities here are pretty small in numbers, compared to the likes of London.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,132 ✭✭✭RichardAnd


    My late grandmother's house went up for sale last year in Stillorgan. It was on the market for a few weeks, and it seemed that the price had settled at around 30k over the asking price. Then, suddenly, the agent told my mom and her siblings that a new Chinese cash buyer was interested in an investment. A bidding war commenced, and the price shot up to 100k over the asking before accepting the offer.

    A few weeks went by, and things seemed to stall. When pushed, the buyer said that he no longer wanted to use cash and was procuring a mortgage. Another few weeks passed with no progress until, eventually, the buyer pulled out. The house was relisted, and it sold for a far more modest 20k over the asking.

    Thankfully, a family bought the house as they have young kids and want to raise them in a good area, so my grand-mother's house will not become part of a slum-king's fife.  

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭The Student


    Yeah it's happening in my area also. Very mature and settled area with access to luas and good local amenities.



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