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Is Ireland's fake tan use problematic?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,181 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    One of two things has happened here.

    Either the IT published this in good faith as part of their relentless crusade to be the most progressive and open minded media outlet on the planet.

    Or it was a test to see how far it would go.

    I think (and hope) it was the former, because if it was the latter the take down message would have told us.

    If it was the former, wow hasn't it backfired on them spectacularly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I'd expect something like this for a media outlet in the states, but here I find it hilarious that they thought they could get away with it ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭thegame983




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭bloopy


    If it is the former, the question then is whether it was approved because it was cheap rage/clickbait dressed up as legitimate debate, or if it was approved because someone there felt it made a good point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    I'll present myself at the garda station in the morning 😥



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,440 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    There must be an external review done of editorial decision making and involvement with non-staff sources and sub-editors.

    This is an appalling lapse in judgement and standards.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,273 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    as per my post above, the indo is in no place to criticise!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭crusd


    What is equally embarrassing is both that the IT were caught out by this and those who got triggered by how the supposed individual looked



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60 ✭✭top floor


    I have a feeling that from here on in an "FT Index" will be applied to rate future opinion pieces in the IT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Mullaghteelin



    Lol!

    When you think it through logically, the writer could be called racist towards Irish people for completely misunderstanding why we might use fake tan.

    White Europeans naturally turn bronze after being in the sun for a couple of weeks, while we can equally look sickly pale if never leave the house.

    The original attraction of fake tan was simply to stop us from looking sickly pale, and giving us a healthier looking glow.

    Obviously when done to excess it looks ridiculous, but even then we think "Oompah Loompah" rather than seeing it in racial terms.

    We generally don't equate it with trying to look exotic or appropriating another culture.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭bloopy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,532 ✭✭✭jmcc


    RTE is also using AI in a minor way. Some of the articles from other broadcasters on its websites were translated with the aid of AI. Does this mean that we should start referring to the IT as the Artificial Irish Times? :)

    Regards...jmcc



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,273 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    it's embarrassing for them - but this purported to be an opinion piece. not factual; if someone had slipped something 'factual' past them, it would have been a different kettle of fish. they welcome opinion pieces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,819 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    It does look like they been had but it does look like that twitter account only was has two tweets in their history one is three hours ago so could be a fake account (linked to a probably fake author).

    I would expect the Indo to fall for this more than the IT, they were always the more opinionated newspaper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,532 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Ever heard of press releases? :)

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭thegame983


    The chatAI angle is just funny.

    The fact that they printed it at all is just sad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 833 ✭✭✭cheese sandwich


    The Irish media is generally great at demanding accountability from others but less so with itself, so I doubt she will resign or be sacked. But her credibility as opinion editor is shot



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,949 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    I'm disappointed by AI, obviously appealing to the lowest common denominator rather than genocide of the human race.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,850 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Think you are over simplifying there.

    The whole ruse was designed to trigger all sides of the debate .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,077 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    I'm delighted to see the IT get caught out so badly here. It's been descending down this line of importing the worst of the US democratic party culture war stuff for years now - so it's inevitable that they'd get taken in by a troll submitting nonsense, but the right kind of nonsense.

    O'Connells credibility as an opinion editor is now completely shot. Looks like no due diligence done here prior to publication. Absolutely basic stuff.

    I don't know why anyone would pay for it anyway, but I can't see how a sub could be justified now.



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  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    tesla_newbie threadbanned



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,225 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I made an observation. I'm not subscribed to the feeding frenzy every time someone mentions race or equality

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,225 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    This is clearly an example of an editorial failure in the IT. Nobody seriously thinks fake tan in Ireland is cultural appropriation.

    I'd be pretty certain that whoever planted this story was actually a right wing troll

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,842 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    Up to a few years ago, the Times was a pretty balanced source of information, way better than the Indo , that article did it for me, and I canceled my subsription, they dont make it easy for such a virtues mouthpiece , had to phone them in the end - and lo and behold it turns out to be an AI prank, the sad thing is most people believed this was just more virtues journalism. No more preaching from Jennifer and co , life feals better already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,225 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I think it got published in their online platform because someone screwed up, or a junior person exceeded their authority.

    It's a ridiculous story that would never make the print edition because that goes through much more mature editorial processes

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,225 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    And before I get accused of some IT supporter. I think I've bought it 5 times in my life, and have never subscribed to it online

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭thegame983


    The best part is that this nonsense...is the exact type of thing the IT would have no problem printing either way.

    Double clownage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    It really poses some fundamental questions about what makes it into the IT.

    Can people just email in opinion pieces and get them published? The "author" obviously had no previous work or portfolio, did nobody in the IT do any research or ask to see past work? Did they never speak on the phone or zoom? The odds of someone with the opinion expressed in the piece not being very vocal on twitter are effectively 0, so did nobody check the account? The account being quoted above had no tweets before the article.

    It has every appearance that the editor(s) lost the run of themselves. Thinking they'd gotten their hands on material equal to anything the American progressives they idolise so much could produce (even with "Latinx" *chefs kiss*), they abandoned any semblance of control or scrutiny and rushed to publish it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭sonar44



    I think it's actually pretty serious and has implications far beyond mudslinging. Think:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grievance_studies_affair

    It's just a discussion. Something more important is bound to come along.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭ElJaguar


    Wow what a mess.🤣 I wonder who was behind the hoax.



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