Jordan Neely killed by chokehold on subway

08-05-2023 04:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120570818#Comment_120570818

You said I was the only one bringing race into it and I pointed out the OP had race all over it. So your accusations were wrong. More name calling. Was there need for that?

I’ll quote you

”Again you are the only banging on about skin color.”

I was not the only one. OP made it all about skin colour as did the news article. Stop lying

Boggles · 08-05-2023 04:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120570829#Comment_120570829

Jesus this is painful.

You were ranting and raving about me making this about race, I pointed out to you I never mentioned race, as you still continued to roar and shout about race and make all sort of assumptions and accusations whilst you were the only one banging on about skin colour and race.

That clear or do I need get the crayons out?

ceadaoin. · 08-05-2023 04:17PM

More footage has emerged showing Neely alive and seemingly breathing after being restrained, although clearly unconscious, and being put into the recovery position by the marine and other bystanders. So was he choked until he died or not? I guess the autopsy report might clear things up?

08-05-2023 04:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120570848#Comment_120570848

More insults. Crayons? Come on boggles. Discuss the issue.

The article is race baiting. The thread is race baiting full of assumptions and accusations already. Your only interest here is race. You’re called out on it. You wouldn’t care if the races were reversed.

Overheal · 08-05-2023 04:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120566978#Comment_120566978

speaking of sanctimonious claptrap

Overheal · 08-05-2023 04:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120567055#Comment_120567055

Citation?

Overheal · 08-05-2023 04:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120570349#Comment_120570349

Try to stay on topic this is neither Europe nor Islamic.

08-05-2023 04:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120570920#Comment_120570920

It’s not Irish either. It’s massively relevant to the discussion about why these threads keep appearing here however. The motivation needs to be questioned.

08-05-2023 04:40PM

I'm verklempt.

Overheal · 08-05-2023 04:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120570864#Comment_120570864

He went limp then the marine continued to choke him out for up to 45 whole seconds while bystanders (the eyewitnesses) spent that time imploring him to stop because he was going to kill him:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12051875/Video-shows-Marine-veteran-Daniel-Penny-ignoring-warnings-restraining-Jordan-Neely.html

Only then was he removed, limply, to the recovery position.

JaCrispy · 08-05-2023 04:46PM

Wow, such a proliferation of left wing racists with such contradictory viewpoints.

ceadaoin. · 08-05-2023 05:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120571004#Comment_120571004

Towards the end of the video, a man can be heard saying he's alright and that he isn't going to die and someone is taking his pulse. They should have started cpr at that point but maybe they didn't realize the severity of the situation as he does appear to take a deep breath at the end of the video

Overheal · 08-05-2023 05:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120571103#Comment_120571103

Yeah idk if anyone there was a nurse or a doctor. He could have had a pulse but could have already been crashing.

markodaly · 08-05-2023 07:03PM

A weird but inevitable case.

When there is a crime wave, the police are neutered by policymakers, then people will step into the vacuum and protect themselves. Stuff like this is inevitable.

It has to be said, Neely was a fugitive who had an outstanding warrant for seriously assaulting a 61-year-old woman. He had a long history of violent assaults and outbursts. The other side of this is, that if people stood back and Neely would have seriously assaulted another vulnerable person, people would have asked, rightly, why didn't anyone stop him and where were the police. Of course that won't make international headlines... but anything black v white these days drives clicks, outrage and the like.

The OP is being played here IMO by the corporate masters of American media. They love this stuff.

Overheal · 08-05-2023 07:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120571752#Comment_120571752

When there is a crime wave

What crime wave? 😶

For the month of March 2023, New York City saw a 26.1% drop in shooting incidents compared to March 2022 (85 v. 115), extending the 23.2% drop in shooting incidents citywide through the first quarter of 2023 compared to the same period last year (222 v. 289). Additionally, homicides fell by 11.4% (31 v. 35) for the month of March, extending the 12.7% decrease in homicides over the first three months of 2023 (89 v. 102).

Overall index crime was virtually flat in March 2023 compared to the same period a year ago, increasing by 0.1% (10,008 v. 9,999) – a difference of nine major crimes. Four of the seven index crime categories saw decreases this month, including murder down 11.4% (31 v. 35), rape down 0.8% (130 v. 131), robbery down 1.4% (1,253 v. 1,271), and burglary down 12.5% (1,185 v. 1,355). For the first quarter of 2023, New York City saw reductions in five of the seven index crime categories, including murder down 12.7% (89 v. 102), rape down 7.4% (373 v. 403), robbery down 1.8% (3,758 v. 3,826), burglary down 6.1% (3,560 v. 3,970), and larceny down 2.4% (11,719 v. 12,007).

Source: the NYPD

https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/news/p00077/nypd-citywide-crime-statistics-march-2023

Clearly this was projection:

The OP is being played here IMO by the corporate masters of American media.

I suggest you stop absorbing so much Fox News, I know they have a nearly 24/7 B-roll of colored people looting convenience stores but it's not real life to suggest those images being pumped to you 24/7 constitutes a measurable crime wave.

It has to be said, Neely was a fugitive who had an outstanding warrant for seriously assaulting a 61-year-old woman. He had a long history of violent assaults and outbursts.

This was mentioned in the OP, Neely was a violent repeat offender. Did anyone on the subway have access to that information?

Podge_irl · 08-05-2023 07:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120571752#Comment_120571752

How are the police in the US neutered? They can practically commit mass murder out on the streets and get away with it and they have ridiculous levels of funding.

markodaly · 08-05-2023 07:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120571786#Comment_120571786

Mass murder?

Oh please! The levels of hysteria from some posters are laughable.

Anyway, some facts about defunding.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/nyregion/nypd-budget.html

Overheal · 08-05-2023 07:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120571822#Comment_120571822

This is from 2020.

It's 2023. Your information is clearly out of date to be going off about a Crime Wave.

This is how the overfunded at the time NYPD behaved in 2020:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-W-7WPWfE4

Incidentally they still manage to whack into pedestrians, clearly no time in the 20 weeks of training to properly drive a vehicle. But I digress, you said there was a "crime wave?"

https://gothamist.com/news/video-shows-nypd-van-hitting-and-killing-pedestrian-on-busy-brooklyn-street

https://abc7ny.com/pedestrian-killed-nypd-vehicle-officers-injured-queens/12836758/

Podge_irl · 08-05-2023 07:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120571822#Comment_120571822

Again, how are the police neutered? Qualified immunity is a grossly over powerful defence for almost anything they do, including shooting and killing completely innocent people.

Claiming that the police are being neutered is in fact what is completely hysterical - they have very very few limits or controls over what they can do and are at almost zero risk of prosecution or any kind of punishment at all.

markodaly · 08-05-2023 07:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120571842#Comment_120571842

There has been a campaign to limit police powers and defund police for the past few years by well-meaning but ultimately foolish and naive people.

Subway crime in NY has surged over 30% in the last year alone. It has been a hot topic locally for many New Yorkers who fear a return to the 80's and 90's. If the police are told to back off, and things as they are while mentally ill and violent people are let roam around subway cars unmolested, then it won't be long for people to take their own defensive actions.

Women in particular have been very vocal about feeling unsafe and being targetted by these people? Do you not care about vulnerable women?

Overheal · 08-05-2023 07:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120571873#Comment_120571873

You're not making sense.

According to reports from January, far from being neutered or limited in response to an apparent 30% YOY increase in subway crime there was a commensurate surge in Police patrols and Overtime to police the subway system. Since January, crime rates have been dropping.

If the police are told to back off

This didn't happen?

Podge_irl · 08-05-2023 07:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120571873#Comment_120571873

Yes, and by and large it hasn't worked. Any current issues with the NYPD are most certainly not to do with underfunding however and they are certainly not to do with any legitimate fear of exercising authority.

The police retain their gigantic levels of funding and they retain their utterly insane levels of protection via qualified immunity. They also retain their ability to avoid even what limited oversight is available via the actions of their unions.

the police are neutered by policymakers

This is a complete and utter fiction, often trotted out, as a gotcha against those who push for police reform. It is, in essence, a lie.

Also I would massive reject the framing of those pushing for reform as foolish and naïve. The reform has not happened and clearly policing is not working. Perhaps those pushing the status quo, or powering up the status quo are in fact the foolish and naïve ones.

...Ghost... · 08-05-2023 07:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120570920#Comment_120570920

And yet you repeatedly post leftist American articles on an Irish based forum. Ireland is part of Europe. The poster was on topic.

Overheal · 08-05-2023 07:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120571945#Comment_120571945

"leftist" lol

This forum is actually being hosted in the United States at the moment? You'll have to wait a bit for the migration to a European server...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058295687/were-moving

There's a whole other thread for the serbian mass shootings we're already engaged in. You're invited to as well.

...Ghost... · 08-05-2023 07:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120571949#Comment_120571949

Yeah, and since then, the site has really gone to shíte. Though I don't see the relevance of where it's hosted. Does that change your posting preferences? Would you stick to Irish only topics if it was hosted in Cork?

Did you start the Serbian shooting topic? I'm thinking no, as I don't believe any victims had dark skin.

Overheal · 08-05-2023 07:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120571972#Comment_120571972

No but it's a wonderful repartee to people who seem utterly fixated on 'Oh no overheal posted another thread doesn't he know this isn't Boards.us' guff

Do you have anything to say yet on the actual subject of Jordan Neely, the Marine, the NYPD, the Subway?

...Ghost... · 08-05-2023 07:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120571982#Comment_120571982

You might have noticed I have posted several things about the thread, including the fact that there are very few facts available and not a trace to suggest racism. The facts we do know is that Deely was a violent criminal who attacked children and the elderly and who was acting in a threatening way toward subway passengers. This behaviour resulted in a need for several people to restrain him (maybe a black guy was also restraining him?) and Deely died during that period. His passing though unfortunate has almost certainly made NYC a slightly safer place for kids and the elderly.

Overheal · 08-05-2023 08:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120572022#Comment_120572022

Killing people makes us safer even when those people aren't being violent?

Nobody on that subway knew his rap sheet.

...Ghost... · 08-05-2023 08:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120572035#Comment_120572035

With a rap sheet as long as that, I bet someone present knew he had a history of violence. I took the subway several times and most times I saw some of the same people from the previous day. Neely had been a regular on the subway, so it's not surprising if one or more people knew what he was about. In any case, what they did know was that he has aggressive, he was violent and has threatening their safety. He will no longer be a threat to society. But sure, you keep defending people who try to kidnap children. Doesn't take much to know what would have happened had he succeeded.

Overheal · 08-05-2023 08:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120572073#Comment_120572073

Wildly extrapolating from bum fluff now. There is more evidence of racism in this reporting than there is anything about any one of the passengers ever recognizing this person or being familiar with them in any form. I asked the question rhetorically, I didn't think you'd actually try and dredge up bum fluff: there is no indication any of the passengers had any access to his priors.

In any case, what they did know was that he has aggressive, he was violent and has threatening their safety.

Ignoring the OP again:

Neely had not become violent and had not been threatening anyone in particular.

Clearly, you just have an agenda to project that history of violence into this incident, where it didn't exist.

Jordan Neely killed by chokehold on subway

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