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Near Misses Volume 2 (So close you can feel it)

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  • #3782
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,003 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120494479#Comment_120494479

    I think MB is sort of right and sort of wrong. The maths are right but its the opposite way around or I am just misunderstanding what he is saying. Your speedo can state up to the correct speed or give it as 10% over. So if you are travelling at 30kmph, your speedo can show between 27kmph and 30kmph. Car companies often choosing the safer option of having them closer to 27kmph but there is no legal reason it couldn't be 30kmph. The idea being that while the Gardai give you a little wiggle room, so will let you away up to 33kmph in a 30kmph zone, over that and there should be no argument that your speedo actually showed 30 or under. An issue that is propagated by driving instructors telling you that you would fail if you didn't go at 10% above the limit. In reality, you were just bringing it up to what the legally enforceable speed limit is. I had never heard of this +10kmph thing before though. Also the GoSafe vans do not have that wiggle room so more fool the person trying to go that 10% over for them.

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  • #3783
    magicbastarder
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    So if you are travelling at 30kmph, your speedo can show between 27kmph and 30kmph.

    no - that would suggest to you that you are doing under the speed limit, and can increase your speed.

    the speedo must correctly show your speed, or overstate it. it cannot understate it.

    also, it removes the 'but my speedo claimed i was doing under the limit' defence.

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  • #3784
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,003 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120509392#Comment_120509392

    Yep, not sure how I ended up saying that. If you are travelling at 30kmph, your speedo can say between 30kmph and 33kmph. I need more sleep as that is what I was thinking. So if you are doing 33kmph by your speedo, you are actually between 30 and 33kmph and the Garda tolerance means if you are caught you really don't have any excuse. I am going back to bed until tomorrow.

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  • #3785
    TheHouseIRL
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    Where to begin with this one?

    https://streamable.com/yx1wno

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  • #3786
    standardg60
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,549 ✭✭✭standardg60


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120492175#Comment_120492175

    Maybe i'm misunderstanding too but the +10kmh can't be right surely? If someone's speedo was indicating 43 in a thirty then they'd slow to 17 to be within the speed limit? Perhaps you're taking the example that 110% is allowable at 100kmh, which would be 10kmh, but at 30 it must indicate a speed of only between 30 and 33.

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  • #3787
    magicbastarder
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    that's based on what i found online. based on that, doing 18km/h could result in your speedo showing just a hair shy of 30km/h.

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  • #3788
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,779 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120528878#Comment_120528878

    It's like one of those video games where they're lining up to take a pop at you.

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  • #3789
    standardg60
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,549 ✭✭✭standardg60


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120529386#Comment_120529386

    Got a link?

    On the plus side it would certainly make the roads safer if everyone's speedo added 10kmh to their actual speed, and would explain the behaviour of middle lane drivers on the M50 too!

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  • #3790
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,443 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i found lots of links from UK sources stating that they were adhering to EU regs on the 110% + 10kmh; as per here:

    https://www.startrescue.co.uk/breakdown-cover/motoring-advice/safety-and-security/how-accurate-is-my-speedometer

    but wikipedia states EU regs are as follows:

    "The indicated speed must not be more than 110 per cent of the true speed plus 4 km/h"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedometer

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  • #3791
    TheHouseIRL
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    The flat tyre might be the only thing that saved her from ploughing into the side of the white van

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  • #3792
    standardg60
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,549 ✭✭✭standardg60


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120529744#Comment_120529744

    Cheers, it seems mad that +10 is allowed in the UK, +4 is far more reasonable. One thing's for sure though, it really isn't arguable that your speedo was giving a lower speed than actual, the 10% allowance dependent on prosecution is actually to do with the calibration of the speed measuring gun.

    Back OT, a great example of a cyclist who justifiably gives drivers a reason to lambast them in the vid above, moron.

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  • #3793
    De Bhál
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120529875#Comment_120529875

    what was she thinking, so close to being seriously injured. White van just didn't register with her.

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  • #3794
    [Deleted User]
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    Yikes

    https://twitter.com/duncanIDM/status/1651879377527791617?s=20


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  • #3795
    [Deleted User]
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    deleted

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  • #3796
    tnegun
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    Very poor from the driver he had no excuse not to know you were there and the other cyclist filtered past it was also rush hour so the chances of a bike being on his inside in near stationary traffic are significant! I would send that to the company they sponsor at least one cycling club and would likely frown on that behavior.

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  • #3797
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,003 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Not defending the lorry driver but from his perspective you were waiting behind the Toyota. A trucks blind spot is out further than you think (it is not along the side as the RSA would have you believe), so as you move to your left and he starts to turn, you are in his blind spot. I can see how he would have thought you weren't there. It's more a slight on lorry design than the driver IMO. Doesn't excuse his driving but just explaining that there is a good chance he hadn't a notion you were there.

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  • #3798
    VonLuck
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120552960#Comment_120552960

    Honest question - what does a truck driver do in that situation? Let's say that he is stopped in traffic and needs to get into the left lane. By definition it is a blind spot so he can't see what's there. He'll never be able to know who or what is there at that point in time so does he just have to stay put or else assess the risk and only move when he thinks there's no one there even though he'll never be 100% sure?

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  • #3799
    Pawwed Rig
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    It is a bus lane

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  • #3800
    VonLuck
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120553568#Comment_120553568

    Sorry, I meant in general, not necessarily this situation.

    I recall a cyclist dying a few years ago when a concrete truck was turning left and they were in his blind spot. Does it come down to very unfortunate luck or is there some sort of liability in that scenario?

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  • #3801
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,003 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120552960#Comment_120552960

    And playing devils advocate, he might have checked the bike lane was clear for a few seconds before, and seen the cyclist waiting to the right rear of the car in front. Like I said, not excusing it but hard to say the cyclist couldn't have seen it as a risk either. The cyclist was waiting behind the car to the right and then moved to the left to overtake just as the truck started to move around it.

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  • #3802
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,003 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120554052#Comment_120554052

    In the story you are referring to, she was not in his blind spot, that truck cut the corner where the cyclist should have been clearly visible, that was very different to this situation in my opinion.

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  • #3803
    CramCycle
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120555991#Comment_120555991

    As soon as he started the move I think it was obvious, I would have still kept going as I think I am nippy enough but in reality, shouldn't have.

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  • #3804
    cunavalos
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120556617#Comment_120556617

    I don't think he is referring to Donna Fox but more likely this incident near St James Hospital

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/vigil-held-for-cyclist-who-died-in-collision-with-cement-truck-in-dublin-1.4069178

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  • #3805
    standardg60
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120556650#Comment_120556650

    Op stopped behind the car indicating left allowing them to turn, but then the car couldn't turn because the taxi was blocking the narrow road, so OP maneuvered slowly back around to the left to continue, i don't see much issue with this.

    The truck driver had no business darting into the bus lane, illegal and bordering on dangerous driving, at that angle of approach they would have very little view of anything in the bus lane.

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  • #3806
    Wildly Boaring
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    Trucks shouldn't have blindspots.

    The onus is on the owner to provide mirrors and/or cameras to deal with any.

    Further the onus is on the driver to check any prior to preforming a manouver.

    That being said I would always help as much as possible and would never cycle (or drive) into one.


    My main question on the footage above is, was it really that close? Maybe it's the camera - looked quite a gap yet?

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  • #3807
    micar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭micar


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120557392#Comment_120557392

    The onus is on the manufacturer to build trucks with features so that there are no blind shops......a combination of mirrors covering a wider area and camera covering areas where mirrors cannot cover.


    Is there any company out there that retrofit existing trucks,/,lorries with these features.

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  • #3808
    Wildly Boaring
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120559513#Comment_120559513

    Yes.

    Loads of them. Cameras, mirrors etc are constantly retro-fitted to HGVs, buses, vans, machinery.

    Anywhere i've worked we have had to bring existing fleet up to scratch.

    Far as i know it's a requirement to retro-fit at least class v and vi mirrors

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  • #3809
    [Deleted User]
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    Not a near miss but an insight into the mentality some motorists have against cyclists. Took the little one to creche on a cargo bike this morning, and parked it outside between 2 cars. I came out to see a car sitting behind my bike with the driver throwing her hands to the sky and shouting at me. Calmly strolled around to her window to see what the issue was, to be told I was taking up three parking spots with my bike. Her inability to park her crossover wasn't the issue, my bike was, even though there was ample parking either side of me that had been vacated by 2 cars as she arrived.

    The moron then tried reversing towards my bike thinking I'd jump out of her way, but I was happy to sit there and let her scratch her car and damage my bike under cctv. I won that game of chicken.

    The icing on the cake was me sailing by her at a busy junction around the corner, as she was stuck in heavy traffic about 15 vehicles back from the junction. Those vehicles weren't in her way or casuing any obstruction of course!

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  • #3810
    Paddigol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,229 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120575522#Comment_120575522

    We all recognise that mentality unfortunately. I'm struggling to visualise how you could possibly be seen to be taking up three parking spots though!

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  • #3811
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120575630#Comment_120575630

    Her driving was so inept she couldn't park her suv/crossover either side of me, despite the ample space that had been vacated by 2 other cars, so she preferred to throw a tantrum instead.

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