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Fox News fires Tucker Carlson

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    #152
    Sudden Valley
    Registered Users Posts: 4,058 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120531147#Comment_120531147

    I would agree that fox news and CNN are the bane of truth in America though hopefully the successful lawsuit against Fox News will reign in some of their lies/more egregious conspiracy theories.



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    #153
    archermoo
    Registered Users Posts: 470 ✭✭archermoo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120531147#Comment_120531147

    The difference is that the investigation into Trump's collusion with Russia went nowhere because Trump used his power as President to actively interfere with the investigation. Russia definitely interfered with the 2016 US election. Trump publicly asked them to do so. The only reason he didn't get indicted for it as a result of the Mueller investigation was because the DoJ has a rule that they do not indict a sitting President. So it is a conspiracy in that it is very likely that the Trump campaign conspired with Russia.

    On the other hand there is the false assertion by Trump and his sycophants that the 2020 election was "stolen". There is absolutely no evidence in support of it. It is simply a matter of a number of wild accusations with absolutely no support. That one is a conspiracy in that it is a conspiracy theory in the classic tinfoil hat wearing meaning.

    Fox news has regularly stated in court that they are not a news program, they are an entertainment program. And that they have every right to present things that they know to be false as facts because of that. CNN on the other hand is a news organisation.



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    #154
    Potatoeman
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120531256#Comment_120531256

    CNN pushed that story before any investigation.



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    #155
    Yurt2
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    FFS, the Trump campaign were up to their necks in it with collusion. CNN and other outlets reporting the stink around it is called doing their jobs as journalists.

    I'm not wedded to CNN - the state of US mass media is not what it should be, but at least it makes an effort.

    Fox is explicitly an organ to hijack the skulls of the lower IQ pool and reactionary of the American populace. Their vote is worth the same as someone with something between the ears, but it's easier to win the vote of an idiot with mistruths, outright lies, demagoguery and sensastionalism - and Fox is proof-positive of that fact.

    Yes, I'm explicitly saying it, Fox news is an outlet whose output is specifically crafted to politically mobilise the smooth brained and idiotic to the ends of whatever Murdoch and pals want.



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    #156
    archermoo
    Registered Users Posts: 470 ✭✭archermoo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120531494#Comment_120531494

    They investigated it themselves after Trump publicly asked the Russians to illegally interfere with the 2016 election. And discovered that there were a lot of ties between the Trump campaign and Russia. Which is to say they did their jobs. They heard about something that was potentially newsworthy, investigated it, and reported on it.

    Fox on the other hand just amplified Trump's baseless claims about the 2020 election. Even after he lost court case after court case, even when the cases were up in front of judges that he appointed. They've admitted that they knew that the claims were false, but they continued presenting them as if they were true because it was popular with their viewers.



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    #157
    archermoo
    Registered Users Posts: 470 ✭✭archermoo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120531543#Comment_120531543

    Fox News has been the propaganda arm of the Republican party from its very beginning.



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    #158
    Hotblack Desiato
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120531147#Comment_120531147

    Must have been imagining all those ads paid for in roubles 🙄

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/01/us/politics/russia-2016-election-facebook.html
    https://gizmodo.com/here-are-14-russian-ads-that-ran-on-facebook-during-the-1820052443
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/10/181025103303.htm
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/31/facebook-russia-ads-senate-hearing-al-franken

    etc.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #159
    ancapailldorcha
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120531147#Comment_120531147

    The both sides nonsense once again. Have you any evidence that CNN is as bad as Fox?

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #160
    Potatoeman
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120531786#Comment_120531786

    The Americans do this kind of thing too. You don’t even need to be in collusion with anyone.



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    #161
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120532185#Comment_120532185

    If by, "as bad as", you mean totally biased in favour of their own political narrative - then yes, both CNN and Fox are guilty as charged.

    It's totally and utterly obvious.

    Only a total absence of objectivity would frame CNN as "purveyors of the Truth", and Fox News as "biased", and vice versa.



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    #162
    Flaneur OBrien
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120535286#Comment_120535286

    No evidence then?



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    #163
    Podge_irl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120535286#Comment_120535286

    Only a total absence of objectivity would frame CNN as "purveyors of the Truth", and Fox News as "biased", and vice versa.

    Which no one has done.

    A perfectly valid statement would be that CNN at least have some ethical and journalistic standards and generally strive for impartiality if not always getting there, whereas Fox are a clownshow.



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    #164
    TooTired123
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120535414#Comment_120535414

    You believe the news as broadcast by CNN? Good for you.



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    #165
    TomTomTim
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120535515#Comment_120535515

    A perfectly valid statement would be that CNN at least have some ethical and journalistic standards and generally strive for impartiality if not always getting there, whereas Fox are a clownshow.

    It's not even how funny delusional this is. A large, large amount of all American "news" is the equivalent of gossip, people sitting around a room giving their deeply biased, fact free opinions on topic in the name of persuading their viewers to their views. This is not journalism, no more than a bunch of auld lads talking shite about politics in a pub is journalism. American "news" is terrible on all sides of the isle, and the fact that you partisans can't even admit that says so much about you.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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    #166
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,114 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120535554#Comment_120535554

    24 hour news in general has this problem.

    Fox and CNN are not the same, thinking they are is what is delusional and an utter inability to have any idea of the concept of nuance. Once upon a time the comparison was at least made to MSNBC which made slightly more sense.



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    #167
    ancapailldorcha
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120535286#Comment_120535286

    Nothing whatsoever then. Ok.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #168
    silliussoddius
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    When there are text messages from CNN anchors like there has been with Fox then make the comparison, until then CNN is just another channel like MSNBC. trashy echo chamber nonsense, bit nowhere near the chum bucket that is Fox.



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    #169
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120536159#Comment_120536159

    When a news channel say everything you just happen to agree with, that's "unbiased and objective reporting" in your eyes.

    How convenient.

    The perspective of "Good Guys" (CNN) vs "Bad Guys" (Fox News) is so juvenile it's almost embarrassing to call it out.

    Perhaps you should acknowledge the very least: that perhaps both channels at some times get it right, and at other times get it wrong.

    This, as I say, childish blanket dismissal of Fox News, just because it's Fox News, shows that you have no interest in learning the truth of a news story. Your mind is already made up.

    Call that whatever you want, but don't call it objective.



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    #170
    astrofool
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    I think people are getting the opinion pieces (which Tucker was part of) mixed up with the news reporting, CNN definitely have a left leaning in the opinion pieces.

    From a news reporting perspective, Fox is making a lot of it up as proven by them paying out $787.5m for the lies they told about elections being stolen during the news.

    To say CNN are as bad as Fox from the left angle, you need to provide evidence of lies to that extent, i.e. the factually incorrect content.



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    #171
    astrofool
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120536532#Comment_120536532

    To have it as bad as you need to start providing actual evidence to back it up, not, incidentally, your opinion.



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    #172
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120536585#Comment_120536585

    That's not the bigger picture.

    Bias isn't always about what's covered, it's also about what's not covered. Lying by omission is a thing.

    For instance: CNN could be perfectly accurate in all of it's published content, but still exhibit bias in the stories it decided not to cover.

    And we are all well aware of the stories that CNN didn't cover that would have had an impact on the election.

    So I am willing to grant you all the accuracy in the world, but that still wouldn't undermine the point that CNN exhibits extreme bias in the same way that Fox News does.

    But look, research into this bias is already well-established. We can, like Trump, ignore the evidence or we can accept the reality of the situation.



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    #173
    astrofool
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120536598#Comment_120536598

    And we are all well aware of the stories that CNN didn't cover that would have had an impact on the election.

    elaborate



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    #174
    Overheal
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    CNN is mentioned so very seldomly here on the forum, and CNN links shared so rarely, that the Fox News simps really do stick out like sore thumbs when they can’t speak in a topic about Fox News and it’s hosts without breathlessly soapboxing about how “CNN sux”

    Because the left isn’t off in one massive bubble owned by CNN, like the right is inside of a bubble owned by FNC. As the simps are quick to note as example, CNNs ratings and readership are quite poor vs. Fox.

    What ‘lefties’ on the forum seem to share more often than not is anything other than CNN, because “CNN” is suuuuch a trigger word for Trumpers etc. that you may as well get the same news from another page. And with so many ‘lefty’ news outlets (ie. Those with journalistic standards) it’s not as though one is ever stuck for an outlet reporting on the news happening.

    But it is amusing to watch them get into utter conniptions about it. All whine no substance I see. And CNN still turns out to be a better source than the folks baselessly and without evidence claim it’s terrible 😂



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    #175
    Kyokushin Grappler
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120535286#Comment_120535286

    All you have to do is go back to election night 2016 and see the smiles disappear as it became more and more likely that Trump was going to win.



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    #176
    Overheal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120535554#Comment_120535554

    Spit my coffee when I read you call anyone else a partisan



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    #177
    briany
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    There's a disturbing overlap between the people saying that all those news channels are as bad as each other and the people who are ready to believe Internet sources with no journalistic accountability or oversight whatsoever. To my mind, it's a bit like running out of a house where the stove is on fire, across the road into a house that is engulfed in flames, like that's a refuge. Point being that if you're wary of the former, you should be at least as sceptical of the latter, given the caveats.

    There is a problem with American cable news in the sense that it's not so much news as it is hours and hours of editorial comment. That is definitely a thing across the lot of them. It remains, however, that no real evidence has been presented to empirically say that CNN is as irresponsible in this practice as Fox News is.

    To offer something to this argument, the Wikipedia entry on CNN controversies is only about half as long as the Fox one.



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    #178
    ancapailldorcha
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120537945#Comment_120537945

    9/11 catalysed the creation of the modern 24-hour news cycle. People were desperate for news but there wasn't any so we saw the creation of a new commentariat class in the media to fill the void.

    The problem with modern conservatism is that it has no principles beyond self-enrichment of the upper classes and the concentration of power and influence in those hands. The constant whataboutery arguments and gaslighting facilitate this. By constantly parroting "both sides", they pretend that all actions are equal and therefore meaningless. It doesn't matter that Fox News is the epitome of lugenpresse that Goebbels would admire because CNN is the same apparently, though of course there's not a shred of evidence for that.

    There are mistakes and lies all over the media but the idea that it's equal across the board is a cynical lie perpetuated by conservatives to fuel their artificial culture war narrative. They have no ideas, principles or sincerity and they know it. They've turned to fascism and fascist tropes as a result because if they can't dupe people into believing that their wealth, power and influence are justified, they'll use coercion and force.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #179
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,491 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120532241#Comment_120532241

    You were caught in a lie, dig up.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #180
    Hotblack Desiato
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120536532#Comment_120536532

    Give over.

    Fox "News" is a cesspit and you know it.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #181
    donaghs
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120536745#Comment_120536745

    Not saying the are "the same". But CNN was being beaten in the ratings by the more partisan Fox and MSNBC. So they essentially copied their formula. More partisan news. Talking a clear "side". more personal attacks. More pundits and opinions pieces, instead of news stories.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/27/business/media/27cnn.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2012/aug/05/television-news-bulletins-bias-impartiality-bbc-cnn



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