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General Premier League Thread 2022-23 - mod note in OP 12/03/23

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,109 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Says the fella who tells everyone that what we're all saying, thinking, and feeling is actually a lie, and that we're all actually 'just jealous'.

    You're entitled to your own opinions, but don't go demeaning other people's actual concerns for the direction the league/game is going with that broad-stroke-jealousy nonsense.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,240 ✭✭✭Garzorico


    If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…would you be as concerned if it was your own team winning all round them? Nah, didn’t think so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,109 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    I've zero interest in ever following/supporting a state owned sportswashing tool of a club. I've made my position on that extremely clear over the years. I understand that it makes it easier for you to do so by just convincing yourself that absolutely no-one actually gives a toss about this stuff, but obviously, obviously that's not true.

    Whenever someone makes a big declarative statement about all other people's opinions and intentions, you can be very confident they're wrong. As I said, you're free to have your own opinions, and to defend them, but declaring your own perspective as the only perspective is just idiotic.

    Probably leave it there, as obviously there's nowhere else for the conversation to go.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,199 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    If it looks like a cheat and acts like a cheat...

    If my team were cheating then I would fully expect them to be called out on it, because nobody likes cheats.

    Its not jealousy, nobody is ever jealous of cheats, because nobody ever wants to be known as a cheat.

    Well most people anyway, I guess some people are ok with it, as we can see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    This is such a bizarre defense of a club who have been investigated for financial issues 3 times now in the last 10 years!

    Like if it was a club that was squeaky clean and people were throwing conspiracies around you could make that claim but City have been fined twice already for these issues and are currently under investigation for 100+ breaches. What more do you want before people start getting annoyed at trying to compete against it...

    This is City who couldn't fill their allocation for a Wembley semi final but are claiming they have a higher turnover than current and record 14 time European champions Real Madrid, who many consider the biggest club in the world.

    How do they have such a turnover when they clearly do not have the fan base that other clubs who are high up on footballs rich list have? Sponsors pay money to teams because they want their products in front of their fans and on TV so on. Clubs make money from selling said fans tickets to matches, merchandise, online media etc.. So how are City doing it? Who are they selling to?

    More importantly, who is paying them to advertise to their fans when there is so obviously a lesser fan base there, so it should be worth less money but it is somehow magically worth more?

    There is no other club on football's rich list at the top end of English football who wouldn't have sold out that semi final because fans would have known there is a fair chance they won't get tickets to the final if the club make it as there is so many other fans to compete against. City fans know they will get tickets so can make that decision and when they do decide not to go then there is no backlog of fans to take over those tickets.

    Your argument is like saying the other cyclists should have just accepted Lance Armstrong was juiced to his eyeballs while they tried to compete with him for fear of them looking like they were jealous of his success 🤣

    What world are you on pal?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,036 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    I suppose if your club just spent half a bn in the January transfer window you probably aren't going to be overly concerned with City's antics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,342 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Precisely, the fact dodgy Russian billions bought his clubs successes also plays into it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭doc_17


    Harry Kane needs to leave Spurs. If Levy tries to play hardball, Kane should make it clear that he will take an extended break this summer and walk for nothing next year.

    I never understood the praise Levy got, he’s led Spurs to a disastrous place on the field, oversaw a colossal overspend of around £400m on the stadium and has no clear vision of how a team should be run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,921 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    The Lance Armstrong analogy is so perfect.

    I also enjoy the argument that this only comes up when they're winning. As if that's a gotcha. Obviously it comes up when they're winning, because the season is spent hoping other teams can defy the odds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,472 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    With all the talk of City, it's interesting I think to see how they've evolved over the last year it so.

    Any discussion about them of course has to come with the Asterix about money/cheating/sport washing, but still....

    The whole make up if the team has changed, these guys are beasts! They have changes into a hugely physically imposing team in a very short space of time. A year ago they had the likes of Sterling (strong but not big) Cancelo, Bernardo, Gundogan , Foden, playing regularly, now it's 4 Centre backs, Rodri,Haaland,Grealish, DE Breuyne, all big fexkers who can play. Bernardo and Gundogan are still there, but Bernardo in particular has 'small dog' syndrome, he thinks he's a big lad and really gets stuck in.

    I'm no fan of Pep or the City 'project' and all that goes with it, but I find it interesting that he's reverted more or less to a basic 442 with a big man up front - obviously there are lots of bells and whistles around that 442 but still that's what it's based around.

    He's just a bald Big Sam really



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,110 ✭✭✭jacool


    If Jurgen Klopp hadn't brought such ridiculous performances out of Liverpool, we would be looking at a 6 in a row here, and Manchester United 12 points back being the closest any team has got to them in that time frame.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,472 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    And this passes without any real comment in the media.

    The myth of the EPL being competitive sells.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,695 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    It's funny,it's only in the last number of weeks I have seen Arsenal fans complain about the cheating city are getting away with. Nothing out of them before that. It seems it's only when you are directly affected does it matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    Every club is directly affected by City cheating though!! This is a nonsense statement



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,629 ✭✭✭✭DvB


    Actually, when discussing the season from pretty much the 10th or 11th game in (i.e. after the great start) pretty much every gooner I know was resigned to the city juggernaut reeling them in. There was a brief glimmer of hope before the 3 consecutive draws which makes the likely end result frustrating but i'm not aware of many (any if truth be told) Arsenal fans that simply dismissed city's background dealings/financial doping escapades as being irrelevant and fully expected the huge disparity of resources to kick in and swing it in their favour.

    Truth be told I'm amazed Arsenal maintained a challenge this long as after their first 11-13 regular players they simply haven't the depth of quality to maintain a sustained blow for blow fight with City.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,472 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    One reason that contributed to them maintaining the challenge is that they didn't have to play City in the first half of the season.

    It wasn't their own doing obviously, and it possibly backfired given that City are in better form now than when the original fixture was set, but a beating at the hands of City back early in the season would have changes the mood somewhat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,014 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    Mark Goldbridge on YT touched on this. If Arsenal had the home City game earlier in the season (postponed because of the Royal funeral), it's likely they would have won that game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,695 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    But that doesn't take away from the point that they threw away points against Liverpool and West ham. And couldn't beat the bottom team at home either



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,239 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Hopefully he goes to Utd, he is tailor made for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,240 ✭✭✭Garzorico


    You didn't answer the question - would you be as concerned if it was your own team winning all round them?

    But they are all on juice, pal.

    Every clubs success is bought and paid for. What does it matter where it comes from? Some have more than others, always has been and always will be.

    Some amount of salt in here, I've obviously, obviously hit a few nerves.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,199 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    He literally answered it in the first line of his post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,035 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,876 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    yeah they are all on juice......which is why they are all under investigation for financial cheating.....oh wait no, that's just Man City. Over 100 charges.

    And that's after they overturned a UEFA charge on a technicality. Also for financial cheating.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 483 ✭✭Will_I_Amnt


    No Everton fan abused Frank Lampard in any video!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,281 ✭✭✭pavb2


    I never understood the hype Spurs get, in the last say 20 years they’re been nowhere near the same level as City, Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea or Arsenal and you can probably add Leicester to that group. They’ve got a great stadium but other than that If they weren’t in London we wouldn’t hear as much about them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭doc_17


    Anything City have won, especially since Pep arrived, is absolutely and utterly tarnished. I would love to see them relegated to the whatever the fook they call the Vauxhall Conference nowadays!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,135 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,472 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    They have become a stadium that has a football team on the side... The stadium is the tail wagging the dog.

    Like yourself, the hype is completely unjustified. They are no way the 4thbest team or squad in the EPL. Hard to know how they've ended up being expected to reach the Champions League, Kane has being carrying them. A poor goalie, can't really defend, poor enough midfield, Eric Dier, Son reverted to his normal pretty good but not really brilliant self, and soft mentally as well.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭doc_17


    Because most of their actions have taken place under Pep, UEFA banned them from the CL for 2 years but it was overturned at CAS due to a statute of limitations applying. And another point, pep claims he’d resign if it was proved is such BS as it’s already been proved.



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