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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,007 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    You'd be surprised, during the repeal the 8th referendum there were a bunch of them over campaiging against repeal. They tried leafletting after an event in dublin city council and they were stopped by security due to it not being allowed on council property, they couldn't understand why the 1st amendment didn't protect them.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,445 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,036 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    So Abby Grossberg (the fox producer who'd the discrimination case against tucker carlson that got him fired) has some very interesting audio recordings that have been turned over to Jack Smith




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,837 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    To be honest , there's not much "new" to that - As Cruz himself says in response , it's exactly what he said in a press release and Senate floor speech a few days later.

    Doesn't change the fact he and others were trying to find ways to over-turn an election without any basis in reality , but this tape isn't particularly revelatory.

    Cruz is still an objectionable slime though.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,837 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Just reading online about the Jury in the E Jean Carroll case.

    Neither set of lawyers are allowed know who they jurors are and unlike normal voir dire, the Judge selected the jurists and not the two legal teams

    They won't be in the room with the judge and the legal teams , they are being sequestered separately and brought to and from the court-house by US Marshals and they've also been told to use fake names amongst themselves to limit people finding out who they are.

    Why are all these unusual steps being taken?

    Because there is a concern that Trump supporters will attack them or put their safety at risk.

    Also , the Manhattan DA is also seeking to limit Trumps access to documents and witness details in their case.

    Why ? - Because he can't be trusted not to splash the information all over Social Media and not to try to intimidate witnesses etc.

    Yep - He's a real champion of American values that guy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,881 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It doesn't matter how many times this is said. Some people are just impervious to fact.

    They want to believe a narrative and that will supersede understanding, assuming the have the ability to understand facts in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,036 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Could bring Cruz into the conspiracy charges though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,945 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    the similarities with a mob trial are very stark.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭archermoo


    People who are intentionally spreading misinformation aren't ever going to admit they are wrong. Or change their tune.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,881 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    While that's true, there are also others who are desperately clinging to a narrative because they've invested so much of themselves in something. And you could show those people a million different bits of information that should challenge their belief, but it won't make a bit of difference. They don't want their belief challenged.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,837 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Cruz is very smart.

    All along he says "They have to find proof , they have to have evidence" , the lack of said proof or evidence didn't stop him voting against the certification of the votes though.

    His defence of that would be "well I felt we needed an investigation first , to be sure" - He's a weasel , but he's not stupid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,157 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


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    Trump posting about the case while it's running will surely pi5$$ off the judge!!

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,036 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,837 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Yet more largely fact free ramblings from a clearly very very worried Trump.

    E Jean Carroll was ~50 when the incident occurred and looked like this at the time (this is from a TV Interview in 1995).

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    And in terms of the dress , she supplied it right at the start of this and the DNA of an "Unknown Male" was found on it .

    It is Trump that refused to provide a DNA sample until just a few weeks ago when he knew it was too late to introduce without significantly delaying the case - Which of course was what he wanted as he's trying to run out the clock or get himself re-elected so he can avoid the case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,881 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I hope it pisses him off to the point that he puts a gagging order on him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,712 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    And, if broken, it's contempt. As in, 30 days in Jail (at least.) Go, TiFG, go! Speak your truth brudduh!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,398 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    He is such a brainless moron. Imagine a normal individual talking like that about a court case they were actively involved in. Mind boggling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,833 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Does everything possible to cause some sort of gagging order, contempt or other punitive action. Claims it's proof he's being mistreated by the judge & court, and therefore the whole thing is a sham. Sends email to supporters asking for donations. Rinse & repeat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 432 ✭✭bewareofthedog


    Be fair - the fight of public opinion wasn't whether or not Russia interfered, it was whether or not the Trump campaign conspired with the Russian government to help him win the election. This is what the New York times heavily implied a month into his presidency and set the precedent for the next 2 and a half years until the Mueller case concluded that the campaign wasn't involved in any election conspiracy. James Comey testified that the story was false.

    Sen. Jim Risch

    “Okay, so again,” So the American people can understand this, that report by the New York Times was not true, is that a fair statement?”

    James Comey

    "It was not true, Again, all of you know this, maybe the American people don’t. The challenge — I’m not picking on reporters about writing stories about classified information… [the challenge is] that people talking about it often don’t really now what’s going on and those of us who actually know what’s going on are not talking about it.”

    And we don’t call the press to say, hey, you got that thing wrong about this sensitive topic, We just have to leave it there.”

    I think Trump is a very dangerous individual and fear for the future of the US if he wins in 2024, but not everything has to be mutually exclusive or either red/blue. If the public ( and I think a lot are ) are genuine and objective in their view of such matters there wouldn't be this vicious divide between both sides. The media is to blame as well of course.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,598 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    New: Former Steve Bannon associate Brian Kolfage sentenced to more than four years in prison for conspiring to defraud donors over the “We Build the Wall” that pledged to privately underwrite the construction of Trump’s US-Mexico border wall.


    Everything is a grift.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,157 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭Long Sean Silver


    i think he'll run again. he might even get in. there's no guarantee Biden will be still alive by November 2024. neither might Trump, but i think he'll outlast Joe.

    if Trump ever gets re-elected a one V Putin will be doing cartwheels & backflips that's for sure. scary thought.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,851 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Well the judge is pissed off and has warned Trump. I think trying to influence a jury might be the likely charge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,598 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Anyone with half a brain could see this was a grift.

    I remember people boasting about how much they donated, then the disbelief when it was revealed.

    Their Facebook page disappeared too.

    Bannon next hopefully, no trump to pardon him this time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭archermoo


    The Mueller report did not establish that the campaign wasn't involved in election conspiracy. It was unable to establish proof that the campaign coordinated with the Russian interference in the 2016 election. Those are not the same thing. They had an incomplete picture of what happened because information vital to the investigation was not made available to it. The report also noted that a number of members of Trump's campaign had ties with people in the Russian government, and that they lied about those ties and obstructed the investigation. It is also worth noting that the Trump campaign publicly welcomed the Russian interference. And that the Russian interference was illegal. In fact the report called for the Russian interference to be investigated further, and stated that it was something that should worry every American.

    The report also noted 10 different instances where Trump may have obstructed justice while he was President. It also noted that Trump made private efforts to control the investigation. The only reason the report didn't call for Trump to be charged with a number of crimes was due to DOJ policy that a sitting President may not be criminally charged.

    In theory the current DOJ has access to all of Mueller's work. With any luck Attorney General Garland will at some point make use of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 432 ✭✭bewareofthedog


    "The Mueller report did not establish that the campaign wasn't involved in election conspiracy. It was unable to establish proof that the campaign coordinated with the Russian interference in the 2016 election. Those are not the same thing."

    I can't establish you didn't eat your dog because all the facts aren't available to me. The burden of proof is on the prosecutor and that's the way it works and should work. The words by Mueller after failing to find real evidence of a conspiracy were used to appease those who wanted it to be true. That line was unprecedented in any sort of a prosecutory manner and widely mocked.

    Just because you want something to be true, it doesn't make it so. Maybe in some upside down world that logic makes sense but not here in reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    For readers like us it doesn’t elucidate much but for the mass media who consumes by soundbyte this will clue to them to what others of us have known quite a long time now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭archermoo


    It wasn't a prosecution. It was an investigation. They are covered by different rules.

    You claimed that Mueller concluded that Trump's campaign wasn't involved in any election conspiracy. That is not true. Just because you want something to be true, it doesn't make it so. Maybe in some upside down world that logic makes sense, but not here in reality. They concluded that they couldn't tell if they conspired with the Russians or not. Those two things are not the same. It wasn't a trial, so not being able to prove something isn't the same as proving that it isn't the case.

    What should happen now that Trump isn't President anymore is that the Mueller report should be used as a blueprint for a much more in depth investigation. One that will actually be allowed to produce indictments. And for that matter that might already be the case. Merrick Garland is known for keeping investigations quiet until he is ready to go to court.

    It is also important to note that there were a lot of indictments that came from the Mueller report, including Trump campaign staff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,756 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    IMO, they were both too old in 2020 and they're not younger this time around. This is not a job where you want the incumbent to croak. Trump did treat the job as a part-time gig anyway and spent a lot of it in MaL.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 432 ✭✭bewareofthedog


    Common, it's just blah blah blah.

    "They concluded that they couldn't tell if they conspired with the Russians or not."

    Your dog didn't eat your neighbour. Even though no neighbour died, I can't absolutely prove it not to be true. Maybe the family dog murdered someone 100 years ago.

    And on, and on, and on we go.

    Get over yourself. This is why conservatives have a leg to stand on, just stupidity.

    And yea Trump SHOULDN'T he president, but the rules in place currently won't stop that.



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