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So "X" - nothing to see here. Elon's in control - Part XXX

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,033 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    So it looks like simply changing your name removes the ticks handed out by elon, this back and forth is hilarious to watch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,915 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Some legal commentators on Twitter making the point that with regards celebs being given blue ticks again, when you click on the blue tick it says the user has subscribed to Twitter Blue. As the celebs haven't, it could be seen as Twitter creating a false endorsement by the celebs of a product Twitter is selling. Could leave Twitter legally liable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,284 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Posts: 2,264 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I posted months ago that it would eventually come down to his initial interaction with Stephen King and his bartering on the price. And lo and behold.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,209 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Interesting GDPR issue, with Musk stating that people have subscribed when they haven’t. Twitter has a legal obligation to present accurate information.

    I wonder if anyone will make a formal complaint ?




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    The lefties throwing a tantrum and leaving twitter, is a bit like taking your ball and going home... except you don't get to take the ball! 🤣

    Twitter will continue to be an echo chamber to one degree or another. And it will still influence public discourse too heavily (unfortunately)... it will just have a few less loopy lefties and a few more from the other tribe. The vacuous vacuum will no doubt be filled one way or the other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    There is a reason that Truth Social failed and well 4chan is probably running but no one outside of it cares about it. People don't really care for what a right wing echo chamber will become. Twitter will have less and less of an influence on public discourse as time goes on. This is why Elon has backtracked heavily on forcing left wing celebs to buy twitter blue and why right wing celebs are annoyed others won't pay for it. It has made them realise that people who have been successful for decades before twitter came along don't actually need twitter for their lives and without someone outside the right echo chamber twitter will just be Truth Social.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,915 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Saw a great thread on Twitter yesterday talking about the blue tick. It was a guy talking about a parable of someone buying one of Jimi Hendrix's most famous guitars, one that was specialised and uniquely tailored to Jimi, had that unique Fender sound that Jimi would use etc. However, the guy who bought it couldn't play the guitar. He couldn't get it to reproduce that Hendrix/Fender sound. He had the tool, but couldn't use it.

    The reason celebs et al were given the ticks to begin with was because it's not the guitar that people go to listen to, it's Hendrix. Celebs were given the tick because they were notable and famous outside of Twitter. People want to be able to follow their accounts and to know it's the real account not because it's an account with a blue tick, but the tick just helped confirm it was really them.

    Whereas people buying the tick are all of a sudden realising, they still don't know how to play the guitar. People will still ignore their posts, people still won't care about their accounts, they still won't be seen as being important.

    Jimi Hendrix with a different guitar is still Jimi Hendrix. Someone with a Jimi Hendrix guitar, still isn't Jimi Hendrix.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,622 ✭✭✭McFly85


    It’s incredible how ridiculous the whole blue tick thing has become.

    Musk misunderstood the blue tick from day 1(legitimately or otherwise). It’s not a status symbol, it’s a feature for regular users to help them know that tue information they’re viewing is legitimate.

    And, in true Musk fashion, the implementation of his version of it is completely ham-fisted. So now there’s people who’ve paid for blue ticks who were angry at this status “being kept by elitists” while Elon is treating celebrities differently by giving them the service for free. And of course you can see how ill thought out it is because it’s misrepresenting users who have been given the service, making it look like they subscribed themselves.

    Its a complete mess, I honestly don’t see how anyone can look at his management of Twitter and think this is the guy that will make it an amazing service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,673 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Someone with a Jimi Hendrix guitar, still isn't Jimi Hendrix

    But they may be even better than Jimi Hendrix, and now they have a chance to reach the audience only Jimi Hendrix used to reach when that kind of gatekeeping was in place.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,622 ✭✭✭McFly85


    If they’re more talented than Jimmy Hendrix they’re not going to need his guitar to show it.

    And paying for a blue tick doesn’t mean anyone cares about your tweets any more than they currently do. People follow who they want to follow and previously would use the blue tick to identify the real account.

    Now a blue tick only means I pay for Twitter - people aren’t going to suddenly take everything said by a blue tick as gospel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    The guitar is not why Jimi Hendrix got famous and people aren't getting spotted because of the blue tick. Celebrity status is not always fair but people need to realise that celebrity status meant people got the blue tick not the other way around.


    The other piece I left out of my post was that Musk is also giving out the blue ticks again because people are blocking blue ticks by default. It just immediately became a sign of people who think that a blue tick makes them relevant.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,113 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,886 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,915 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    There are plenty of accounts on Twitter who made their fame through Twitter. They did it through insightful commentary or expert opinion on different topics, or being funny and gradually plugging away, building up their following over time. It is of course possible that there are accounts that have long gone unrecognised, still waiting for that one viral tweet to get them trending, get more followers etc.

    But you're conflating "gatekeeping" with "recognition". The previous blue tick was only as worthy of recognition as each individual felt it was. Was an account worthy of following or paying attention to just because it had a blue tick? Of course not. Think about how many blue tick accounts there were on Twitter, then think about how many the average person would have followed.

    Again, it's not the blue tick, it's the person. Some of my favourite accounts don't have and never had a blue tick. Some of the worst, most banal, boring accounts have blue ticks, because that's who the person is. And in some of the cases of accounts without a blue tick that I like, it was probably an account with a blue tick retweeting or mentioning them which brought them to my attention.

    Now you have an actual literal gatekeeping system in place. If you don't pay for Twitter Blue, your tweets will be buried under everyone who did. That's literal gatekeeping.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,113 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,883 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    At least he wasn't murdered by the people that helped Musk buy Twitter in the 1st place....

    MBS can't be happy with the this coming back up because Elon is completely inept.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I agree but it's also obvious that you can't sustain free services - people have to be paid for development and maintenance work, server fees and the threat of litigation..

    I can get a free service by going and chatting to family & neighbours but I think in future we'll see that social media services will need to be supported some way. And advertising isn't the full answer, it can help. Maybe it'll require state or taxpayer subsidies but that has it's own problems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,673 ✭✭✭Cordell


    If you don't pay for Twitter Blue, your tweets will be buried under everyone who did. That's literal gatekeeping.

    No, that's not what gatekeeping means. You don't have any control over gatekeeping, but now you do have control over blue ticks. If you want your tweets promoted, you pay. The old way gave more reach to your tweets based on who you were, which is just as wrong and arbitrary as paying for, but at least now the decision is yours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Yes I agree and YouTube / Netflix are good examples. But how do we know which is the better performing model? I'd guess their financials are pretty complicated. One or other or both could collapse at some stage, Netflix had huge growth but now faces more competition for subs and eyeballs. Advertising has it's limits. I can see that readily on the likes of FB/Insta where an ad I place now is competing against more ads and has less bang for the buck than before. As a user, I mostly skip past the ads without noticing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,953 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    you dont sustain it by losing swathes of advertisers and trying to replace that with a subscription model that nobody wants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Well what do you suggest? This discussion was typified for me by some gal on with Ballsy O'Connor on radio over the weekend. She gaily proclaimed that she used Twitter for promoting her business and for news information etc. She also proclaimed that no way would she pay for a service like Twitter and implied that anyone who does should be cancelled.

    Who does she think she is? Nobody owes her a living. If she wants to use services like Twitter to run her influencer type entity, then she should fecking pay for it or piss off. The entitlement was dripping off her.

    If I was Musk, I'd cancel her account and let her ponder on the value of things.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,883 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The issue with subscription models is the value proposition for each and where the content comes from.

    Netflix (and all the other music/video streaming services) either purchase or directly create the content on their platform and then charge you to consume that content. They are also starting to roll out a version where you pay less but see adverts to make up the difference.

    YouTube displays content created by its users and generates revenue from the advertising it displays, which it then shares with the content creators. You can also pay a subscription to not see advertising. You can absolutely argue about the level of payments to content creators etc. but the payments exist.

    Twitter however neither directly pays for the content on its platform nor does it share the advertising revenue with the content creators it hosts.

    The current Twitter subscription model is flawed in that the only people making money from it are Twitter and the content creators are getting nothing in return, and if you don't pay for it your content will be pushed down in the rankings.

    Twitter wants content creators to give them money so that Twitter can make money off their content - That's really not a good model for a sustainable flow of engaging content.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,953 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    what she is is a product. a product sold to advertisers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,284 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Yeah your view is the nonsensical no mans land Musk is aiming for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Given he has been handing out twitter blue for free I strongly suspect he will not be cancelling her, I assume she is not big enough to get it for free but he still won't be cancelling people making content. Apparently Elon has pondered the value of twitter blue.


    Twitter content is a two way street. It gives people a platform but content also keeps people coming back to twitter. Certainly how many people is relative to your follower base but a lower follower base also gives you a smaller platform so it scales. This is why blue ticks were pushed, because it brought users to log onto twitter more often.

    Now paying gets you blocked by a large proportion of those that do see your tweets. People just don't care what they have to say. Famous people will still have more reach. They will have more followers and more reshares. Meanwhile ordinary people will just have their accounts blocked by people who get annoyed at random people they don't care about all across their timelines. The value of the blue tick was not for those who had it. The real value was for those who didn't to know whose tweets they were seeing. As I said above the point of social media is to get people to log on to sell them advertising, most people don't care about their posts getting boosted but they do care about the content they see on twitter and if that goes down then twitter loses value as the quality of the platform goes down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,915 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Firstly, the old way didn't give more reach to your tweets based on who you were, people still had to choose to follow your account. Even in replies to people's tweets, blue tick accounts had the same access as everyone else, the only difference may occur when their tweets get liked or retweeted more, which may make their tweets appear first under replies. But again, that's nothing to do with the blue tick, but rather followers engaging with the tweets of someone famous. That would happen blue tick or no. Someone paying for Twitter Blue and for their tweets to be bumped up the queue still doesn't mean they're going to get any active engagement on their tweets.

    Again, the blue tick was only a verification symbol. That's it, that's all it did. It didn't give your tweets more reach, their followers did that by liking/retweeting their tweets. Like I said, it's not gatekeeping, it's recognition.

    As for "now the decision is yours", tell that to all the accounts who now have blue ticks against their will, whether Musk was doing it as a punishment, or just because they have 1m+ followers. Again, literal gatekeeping.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,883 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Musk has ruined the blue check mark for everybody now.

    He could have left it as it was - Which was a way for users to identify "real" high profile accounts OR he could have removed it for everyone and had only those people that paid the subscription fee (which was always a bit pointless tbh).

    Now though , he has just ruined it for everyone - Some people get it for free and some people have to pay for it and no one really has any immediately obvious way of telling the difference so the value of it is completely diluted.

    It's all just a bit silly and even the fact that he decided to make the change on "4/20" is just further evidence that he really doesn't think about these decisions beyond their immediate "meme-lord" value to his ego..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,033 ✭✭✭PeadarCo


    By asking who is better performing YouTube or Netflix you have completely missed the point and you don't understand the business of video streaming and social media in general. YouTube could not operate with Netflixs business model and vice versa.

    YouTube is quantity over quality and Netflix are the opposite. They operate in different segments of the video streaming industry but both are highly successful in their respective niches.

    For YouTube to generate the quantity required to compete with Netflix it needs a large number of users most of whom will produce stuff that very few people watch. YouTube does pays well enough so it's possible to make a career out of YouTube for even moderately successful creators.

    Netflix rely on the vast majority of its content being watched. So it pays for content to be produced directly or buys content already produced. They could never produce YouTubes level of content nor would subscribers tolerate the reduction in quality this volume increase would cause.

    Twitter is not Netflix it relies on its users to create content especially users that have big followings. As others have explained asking these people to pay is stupid putting things mildly. The guy has no understanding of social media.

    What seems to have happened is that Musks solution to Twitters cash problem has been to look at the total users and say that if X% pay X price, Twitter would be profitable. If it was really that simple the previous owners of Twitter would have done that years ago. Again it shows the guy is clueless about the Twitter and the industry its in.



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  • Posts: 2,752 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sums it up.

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