The 2023 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

tanko · 23-04-2023 06:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120512179#Comment_120512179

Down won’t beat Armagh.

BaywatchHQ · 23-04-2023 06:41PM

The joke I made in July 2022 aged well. O'Rourke may bring the cup back to Tailteann Park sooner than I thought.

"I am sure O'Rourke will guide Meath to the Hogan steps, for Tailteann Cup glory in 2024."

An Ciarraioch · 23-04-2023 06:43PM

Perhaps, but worth confirming that 5 counties are still in contention for three places in Sam.

How Soon Is Now · 23-04-2023 06:45PM

Bored of playing Kildare Meath etc Offaly final be something different at least.

dxhound2005 · 23-04-2023 06:58PM

It will be a long hard slog for any team to emerge to take the one place in Sam next year via the Tailteann. Teams like Meath and Cavan, and possibly Kildare who might feel they have more of a "right" than the likes of Wicklow or Tipperary to be in Sam, could throw their hat at it. And take their chances in Division 2 next year.

A dangerous strategy, with Armagh, Donegal, Louth, Cork, Meath, Kildare, Cavan and Fermanagh, all needing to avoid what happened to Meath this year, along with Limerick. But after the demoralising defeats that Cavan and Meath took, I could see their hearts not being in the Tailteann. And it would not be surprising to see defections from panels, in various counties.

Fr Tod Umptious · 23-04-2023 07:40PM

So now we still have

Sligo

Clare

Westmeath

Mayo

Galway

Roscommon

Kerry

Tyrone

Monaghan

Armagh

Donegal

Dublin

Derry

Louth

Cork

Kildare

If Offaly or Down win their SFs and Kildare don't win theirs, Kildare are in the TC.

If Offaly and Down win their SFs and Kildare don't, then Cork and Kildare are in the TC.

legendary.xix · 23-04-2023 08:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120512260#Comment_120512260

Probably.

Example groups from current forecast:

Galway, Armagh, Mayo, Donegal.

Kerry, Louth, Roscommon, Cork

Dublin, Clare, Tyrone, Kildare

Derry, Sligo, Monaghan, Westmeath

23-04-2023 08:37PM

For the group stages is there any stipulations in there on teams in the same province or played already or anything else aside from where you're seeded.

I presume for example Kerry couldn't be drawn with Clare or Galway with Sligo for example but could Galway get Roscommon from Pot 3 or could Clare meet Cork or Louth and Westmeath etc of in different pots?

Fr Tod Umptious · 23-04-2023 08:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120512822#Comment_120512822

Repeat pairings will be avoided where possible.

So no Galway and Roscommon in the same group.

dxhound2005 · 23-04-2023 09:01PM

It's all in the 43 page Master Fixtures List. From Page 20 for the Football last 16. Galway and Sligo won't be in the same group, but Galway and Roscommon could be, if I read it correctly.

https://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-master-fixtures-for-2023-published/#:~:text=The%20provincial%20hurling%20championships%20begin,weekend%20of%20June%203%2F4.

Fr Tod Umptious · 23-04-2023 09:07PM

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You are correct, and I am mistaken.

Provincial opponents can't be in the same group, but teams that previously meet can.

So Galway and Roscommon can be in the same group.

MacDanger · 23-04-2023 09:07PM

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I think Galway v Roscommon in the same group would be allowed - provincial finals repeats can't happen and say if Mayo & Roscommon were 3rd & 4th seeds, we couldn't be drawn together. The draw is made before the provincial finals so Galway's seeding won't yet be known

legendary.xix · 23-04-2023 09:15PM

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Some reports seemed to indicate that only repeat provincial finals cannot occur. Galway can't draw Sligo in the group stage but can draw Roscommon.

gormdubhgorm · 23-04-2023 09:30PM

I thought Galway proved they have gone up a level. Basically controlled the Rossies for most of the game. Upped it when needed. Took sting out of game when needed. Excellent game management from Galway. After the formalities of Connacht are over no team will want to play them. Every player seems to know his role really solid overall team.

theoneeyedman · 23-04-2023 09:35PM

From a Roscommon POV, I wouldn't fear Galway at all : in fact picking Dublin, Kerry or Galway I'd take them every day of the week.

Galway are not all that (for all the hype following them winning 2 games in a row=All Ireland champions designates ) they are at best the third strongest provincial winners (we don't know who is coming out of Ulster, it could be argued them and Derry are much of a muchness), and I saw nothing in today's game to suggest the next time we meet it won't be another tight game with the opposite result

Depending on the draw, Galway will probably not pass the Q finals this year.

Avon8 · 23-04-2023 09:58PM

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Considering Galway have now beaten Roscommon three years running in championship by a comfortable scoreline, you'd think you would have slightly more fear (or less arrogance)

Another tight game? When was the last 'tight' game between them in championship?

Their best performer from last year could only play that last 5 mins today. He'll be back in the coming weeks

Galway played Derry twice last year and won by 11 and 5

theoneeyedman · 23-04-2023 10:06PM

Apart from last year, the other 2 were one score games, including today which could have went either way. Kit saying Galway didn't deserve the won today, but the ball bouncing slightly differently would have left the result different.

My point was that if I jad to pick Dublin, Galway or Kerry as group winners, I'd pick Galway 8 days a week.

Avon8 · 23-04-2023 10:19PM

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2021 was a 5 point difference. Today was 4 points. Last year was actually a one score game (3) but Galway were 9 up with 5 mins of normal time left and sleptwalked to a finish.

Both side missed good goal chances today. I don't think either will be happy with the performance

Robson99 · 24-04-2023 12:00AM

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Galway would be delighted to get the Rossies again. Always felt like they could go up a gear whenever they wanted today and have better the forwards

Always_Running · 24-04-2023 12:59AM

Decent game in Hyde park in front of strong 17,000 that was a deserved win for Galway who put in the ground work first half against sluggish Roscommon 1st half. The Rossies to their credit stepped up 2nd half scored a fine goal to take the lead and it was a what if for them had Conor Cox not slipped when looking to capitalize on a poor Galway kick out, moments later from a point effort off the post the ball landed into Comers lap in the small square to give Galway a 4 point lead. A huge swing in the contest and enough for Galway to close it out.

Elsewhere Donegal's year has gone from bad to worse and it's hard to see them win any game in group stage but at least they'll play in it unlike Meath. Well done to Down,Offaly and indeed Louth with a fine comeback win against Westmeath.

threeball · 24-04-2023 07:31AM

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Hes excellent. Spots every little change or happening around the pitch and relays it. Most co-commentators don't even see whats going on. He's there for insight, the main commentator is there for colour, but that was Marty, so enough said.

FrancieBrady · 24-04-2023 08:25AM

Roscommon the perfect example of a malaise in GAA football that affects many.

The amount of times they worked the ball into kickable positions but reneged on having a go was depressing. Managers seem to have drilled it into players to overwork the ball.

Bass Reeves · 24-04-2023 09:02AM

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There us no point in a player who cannot scire having a pot shot. The whole point of the modern game with packed defences is for a team to create a chance for a good kicker or to get poorer score takers into a position where they can score

24-04-2023 09:08AM

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Players should be coached to be able to kick the ball over the bar from 25-30 meters though. I think thats the point.

FrancieBrady · 24-04-2023 09:22AM

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I think the problem is the skill is being coached out of them.

Hoping my own team Monaghan have recognised that depending on one or two to score is a fool's game ultimately. We now have a number of scorers every game.

Players who were well able to score in the early second half for Roscommon were passing up chances in the first half. Criminal.

Having a go and missing is better than seeing the ball overworked and lost, especially in the first half IMO

threeball · 24-04-2023 09:22AM

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Dylan McHugh for Galway gets into numerous scoring positions in every game but seems to have been told (or isn't comfortable enough) taking a shot. He did take one on yesterday, it hit the post and resulted in Comers goal. That goal changed the game. These incidences are nearly gone from the game because everyone is afraid to shoot unless its a near certainty.

I've said it before, they need to have an Arc 35m out and if you score from beyond there it'll be worth 2pts. Reward risk taking and talented players.

Bass Reeves · 24-04-2023 09:25AM

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It's very hard to coach 14(now maybe 15 with the way goalies go out field) players to score from 30 meters out under pressure. Kicking a wide nowadays hands back possession 70+% of the time to the opposing side.

If you have 4-5 players capable of scoring from that distance under pressure you are doing well

Bass Reeves · 24-04-2023 09:41AM

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I do think there needs to be some rule changes with the advent of packed defense's. Whether it's like you suggest or limit the amount of players allowed in defence and attack. Maybe a rule that 4 players for an attacking side needs to stay inside there own 65along with there goalie as well as 4 from the defending team. Basically 4 players from each side and the the goalie have to remain within a half( ideally the goalie '65 metre line at all times.

You could have an additional tweak where if a player comes outside the attacking 65m line he can Interchange with a player from his own team in that area. This would allow a way to switch the point of attack.

24-04-2023 09:49AM

A lot of the shots aren't really under pressure though. Pressure tends to be applied when they entering the scoring zone around the D. I'd agree that it's a possession game now at all costs. The amount of games I go to and I hear "recycle" is amazing. The ball gets worked into a scoring possession and then it is sent back across the 45 for a "reset".

Look coaches love this kind of thing but in the last few years the way decent coached teams have bet blankets is with a counter attack at pace. Moving the ball with a mix of long range kick passing and through the hands. They are also not afraid to shoot. If it goes wide so be it, But it's better than slowing things down to the point of walking pace and not getting an chance to have a shot again. Pace is key and thanfully lads don't have to be bet in a gym for 6 months of the year to achieve that.

I love watching 13 aside club games. The good quick and intelligent players get so much space it's really exciting.

24-04-2023 09:53AM

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Change the game to 13 aside for the league next year and see how that works. It's very hard to apply and effective blanket defence if you don't have enough players to do it. Perhaps introduce a new scoring zone where you get two points for a long range point.

Knuckle draggers are the issue though.

The 2023 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

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