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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,118 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    So many words, so little actual content.

    Never said who would do it. Just that it was possible. Which you've agreed it is. Cool.

    Whichever crew is elected to government can do it. They don't need to have it in a manifesto in the same way none of them had it in for previous elections and then went and signed up. Climate is on peoples minds as it's wall to wall coverage of it. Much like for years leading to Brexit, immigration was the biggest problem over there as that's what people were told the problem is. Now there's not much talk about it among voters - they don't care despite immigration actually being higher since Brexit. Whatever is in the newscycle is what is on peoples mind. Russia saying Ukraine are sub-human Nazis is what Russians think. Ya dig?

    You can leave agreements and not do all the things you've highlighted as being undone. Perhaps though there's other ways to achieve the goals (pointless in a world wide crises as they are).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,634 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Lol. Ireland is in the EU. We are a nation of good standing in the international community and we're not going to abandon our international committments on the whims of the shrillest shills on the internet

    But yeah. Not at all surprised that this thread is full of trump supporters

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,118 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Don't know if that's a dig at me, but for the record I'm not a Trump supporter in any way shape or form. He's the proof that peddling nonsense can result in the likes of him getting to positions and making decisions that are only of benefit to themselves



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,670 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,321 ✭✭✭prunudo


    If you can garuantee me that an electric car, driven for 150,000 km, and charged daily is going to be reliable beyond 5 years and not worthless then i may review my opinion. A ice can easily last 20 plus years without any major investment, that won't be the case for for ev's, so yeah, maybe you're the one believing the bullshit.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,670 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...im not so sure about your ice claim, many manufactures are now recalling cars immediately upon delivery to dealers, along side cars a couple of years old, manufactures are clearly running down ice production, but to be fair, they are also still dealing with serious supply chain problems, effectively forcing them into recalls, but your 20+ year claims, i think not!



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Never said who would do it. Just that it was possible.

    The pigs will fly argument🤷‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,905 ✭✭✭Nermal


    We discussed this earlier in the thread, you're wrong. There is no mechanism by which the EU can eject us.

    DaCor was incorrect when he suggested a reversal was legally impossible.

    He is, unfortunately, quite correct when he points out how unlikely it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Have a 06 petrol here, bought in 09 for about €8K - so 17 years old. Still going well, serviced and oil changed as it should be. A few repairs here & there. Now that is what the Greens should be pushing for - moderate use, repair and reuse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,634 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I drove for an hour in my home town today dropping kids to their activities, passed hundreds of cars and specifically noted their age and only saw a single car 20 years old or older. A 00 Micra. The vast majority of cars were under 15 years old, and the majority were less than 10 years old

    Funnily enough, I drove past 2 nissan leafs, from 2011 and 2012

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,634 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Btw, I'm not saying cars can't last 20 years. But the vast vast majority of them don't. And you'd want to be an idiot to buy a brand new ICE today when cities all around the world are phasing them out for air quality reasons

    BEVs hold their value extremely well

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,321 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I'll give you that, most ice cars are in the 5-15 yr old bracket but if minded will last beyond 20. I'm really skeptical about the longevity of ev's particularly when it comes to the lifespan of the battery. I pity anyone of retirement age who may need to replace their ev's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,509 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    It literally can't happen, yet is thrown out routinely by green zealots if their narrative is in any way challenged.

    Right now it's unlikely to see the climate act and others rejected. However, a bad winter with some rolling blackouts might focus the minds of people.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,118 ✭✭✭roosterman71


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    Age of the fleet is getting older. And this is a good thing to keep existing vehicles on the road and going instead of replacing perfectly working vehicles with new ones. This was discussed earlier in the thread and I think we all agreed this was a good thing, and something the GP would favour over new car sales

    https://www.cartell.ie/2022/06/car-ownership-in-ireland/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,118 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Some Earth Day predictions from 1970

    “Civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.” — Harvard biologist George Wald

    “We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human habitation.” — Washington University biologist Barry Commoner

    “Man must stop pollution and conserve his resources, not merely to enhance existence but to save the race from intolerable deterioration and possible extinction.” — New York Times editorial

    “Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small increases in food supplies we make. The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years.” — Stanford University biologist Paul Ehrlich

    “Most of the people who are going to die in the greatest cataclysm in the history of man have already been born… [By 1975] some experts feel that food shortages will have escalated the present level of world hunger and starvation into famines of unbelievable proportions. Other experts, more optimistic, think the ultimate food-population collision will not occur until the decade of the 1980s.” — Paul Ehrlich

    “It is already too late to avoid mass starvation,” — Denis Hayes, Chief organizer for Earth Day

    “Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim timetable: by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions…. By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine.” — North Texas State University professor Peter Gunter

    “In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution… by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half.” — Life magazine

    “At the present rate of nitrogen buildup, it’s only a matter of time before light will be filtered out of the atmosphere and none of our land will be usable.” — Ecologist Kenneth Watt

    “Air pollution…is certainly going to take hundreds of thousands of lives in the next few years alone.” — Paul Ehrlich

    “By the year 2000, if present trends continue, we will be using up crude oil at such a rate… that there won’t be any more crude oil. You’ll drive up to the pump and say, ‘Fill ‘er up, buddy,’ and he’ll say, ‘I am very sorry, there isn’t any.’” — Ecologist Kenneth Watt

    “[One] theory assumes that the earth’s cloud cover will continue to thicken as more dust, fumes, and water vapor are belched into the atmosphere by industrial smokestacks and jet planes. Screened from the sun’s heat, the planet will cool, the water vapor will fall and freeze, and a new Ice Age will be born.” — Newsweek magazine

    “The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years. If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.” — Kenneth Watt



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,509 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    It's almost like they keep making it up as they go.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    Well my Brother has a Toyota Corolla that is 24 years old this year, I have a ford fiesta that is 17 years old this year, both running grand...a few lads in work have vans that are 15+ years old...all doing the job for them...how long do these batteries on EV's actually last



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,734 ✭✭✭antoinolachtnai


    We can’t leave the Paris Treaty unless we leave the EU. It’s provisions would continue be binding on us as EU members whether we remain a signatory or not.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The courts continue to step up on protecting the environment.

    In the case below a lad was caught extracting sand from the river bottom, was fined 1,200 and was caught doing the exact same thing less than 2 weeks later. This time he will serve 3 months in prison and has been warned he'll receive the maximum custodial sentence if he appears before the court again for this environmental damage.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,118 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    That's not an environmental act which he was charged under. He's being accused and convicted for stealing from the state.




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  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Lidl whack up 3,000 solar panels on the top of their new distribution center in Mullingar




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,509 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    They would want to keep a close eye on them. No barrier level beneath them as they appear to be bolted straight onto the surface. There's been a few distribution centers go up in smoke because of this.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,361 ✭✭✭ginger22


    To be perfectly honest that man was actually helping to keep the estuary from silting up and the OPW unoficially approved of his actions but were not brave enough to support him in court against the "green" lobby. I personally know that situation, living not far from it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,361 ✭✭✭ginger22




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,493 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    For an ice?

    Are you trying to tell us there are no 2003 cars left on the road? 😂😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,493 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    The vast majority do- people just decide to trade them in to buy new cars on pcp or hp and continue the debt loop.

    Cars can 100% last more than 20 years if looked after as per manufacturer instructions.

    What you are peddling is consumerism with a thin veneer of green washing.

    New Evs are another debt trap.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeah, I'm gonna call bullshit on that. Much like the judge did



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,670 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    05 petrol, also owned since 09, extremely low mileage, reasonably well looked after, i ll be lucky to keep it going another couple of years, yes some older cars would seem to run forever, but this doesnt hold through for others! fossil fuels are done, we ve done enough damage with them, if we keep this up, younger generations wont have anything. theres sufficient evidence to support electrification is far more environmentally safe for us, but taxing and indebting the bollcoks out of people wont get us there, green movements would wanna take their heads out of their arses with this one!

    nope!

    yup, as explained above! tis still early enough days in regards battery life, but it more than likely will be an issue for many, particularly early generation ev's, we re gonna have to support people as much as possible with this technology, funding battery replacements when necessary, green movements should be moving in that direction, again, not continue to beat people over the head about it, batteries aint cheap to replace, and we also really need to pull our heads out of our arses in regards public transport, our rail network is a disgrace, mass movement towards ev's wont work unless we rapidly expand our rail network....



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