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BRS and GDPR

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,076 ✭✭✭Dr Turk Turkelton


    Completely agree with the part about choosing who to play with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,478 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    There may be some merit in being able to choose who you play with. That doesn't mean that you should be able to see who's been on the course all day or all week.

    If this was the reason for having that data available, at a minimum, you'd need explicit consent from each member to have their data shared like this. You'd also need to consider what happens if the member withdraws their consent, as all of us are entitled to do at any time.

    Phone books were long before GDPR, and you always had the option to be ex-directory. Football matches are a fairly different beast all together.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,453 ✭✭✭Trampas


    So results shouldn’t be displayed or if they are should be we had a winner with 40 points or 67 shots but not say who won. Captains prize was won by a golfer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,478 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    All different scenarios, with their own implications, which I don't really feel like teasing out for y'all, case by case.

    And none of which have any impact on the original issue, of player's names/slots being visible to other players.



  • Administrators Posts: 55,210 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    A golf booking system that didn't show who had booked which slots would be completely useless. There is a legitimate reason for displaying your name, and your name is the minimal data needed.

    coillcam had it spot on earlier.

    No GDPR issue here.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭thewobbler



    this reminds me of a lad I once knew who was obsessed with the number 42. He was convinced it was everywhere.

    I tried to reason with him that every number is everywhere, and the more you fixate on one, the more you’ll notice it.

    But he wasn’t for having his mind changed.

    ——

    your take on GDPR legislation is similar. You’ve convinced yourself that any and every use of your name is illegal, and will zone in on specific and/or out of context words to prove your theory.

    But you’re completely missing the bigger picture; the context. GDPR wasn’t designed to make our lives uncomfortable. It was designed to prevent corporations from making our lives uncomfortable.

    It’s not practical for a members golf club to run member competitions without disclosing who played, what handicap they used, and how they scored. It’s not practical for member timesheets to be anonymous as the logistics of 4 people turning up on a tee, some early, some on the buzzer, and not knowing who they’re playing with, repeated 50 times in a day, is a nightmare of worry and confusion, for what is meant to be a en enjoyable pastime.

    The ICO wouldn’t look at this case. They’d just laugh. You know why? Because they’re doing their actual job. They’re stopping organisations from using your data the wrong way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,453 ✭✭✭Trampas


    What way is it different? Name is published. You can’t pick and choose when a name is gdpr issue and not. It’s not a gdpr issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    Maybe you should go back for an auld refresher on the GDPR yourself

    The names are there for the purpose of people being able to identify with whom they are booking, this is a perfectly good reason, once the date of the booking passes, so does access to the data. We would have agreed to this when signing up to the booking system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,954 ✭✭✭coillcam


    I'm not directly comparing BRS to bank accounts and airlines. I find it funny that you think this is about publicly listing passengers on a plane or sharing your info with custimers. I'm simply pointing out that personal data has to be legitimately recorded and processed every single day or society as we know it wouldn't exist.

    GDPR is not some gotcha get of jail card to play. As said previously it's primarily a framework to stop companies being lax with your data or doing shady stuff with it.

    You've completely contradicted yourself on article 5. This a legit scenario in what the BRS does with personal data and you consent to having the name on display in your home club.

    No personally identifiable info but the name is displayed on the booking. Which again, by using the system you consent to doing. So this is protection by design for article 25.

    Article 32 you mention proof of the integrity of system essentially. So what is the proof of negligence exactly. You can have every cyber security standard, highly available servers, backups and process imagineable but not comply with GDPR. There is no confidentiality issue here. To use the BRS you're consenting to your name being displayed.

    So replay all of this situation with your name on BRS. Except this time where there are no data/gdpr related policies available. Also let's assume that in the terms of use there is no statement that you consent to having your name displayed in a manner necessary for any number of legit reasons. Now you can send a watertight case forward to the data protection commissioner.

    It's all about consent plus the legitimate use and legitimate processing of your data. Buckets of column a column b here.

    Now more importantly does the OPs wife consent to him appearing as "witheld" on BRS or will she go out for a quick 9 with Useless Eugene the next time? Crabby coillcam is happy to play a few holes with anyone any time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,478 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    So what happens when the member withdraws their consent to sharing of their booking data with other members, as we are all entitled to do. Are you going to block them from playing?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,478 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    You might want to read up on GDR consent, and how it must be freely given, without obligation or fear of negative consequences.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,478 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Every scenario is different. It depends on the purpose of processing, the way consent was given, how data is being shared.

    If it was simple, you wouldn’t have reams of consultants and lawyers making a very good living out of advising on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭billy3sheets


    Interestingly, the Golf Ireland app gives limited details about rounds played by peers and friends. No reference to course name or data it was played.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,478 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    So what happens when you withdraw your consent?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,478 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    The ICO wouldn’t touch this case, because the ICO is in the UK. The Data Protection Commissioner would absolutely investigate this case if a formal complaint was made by an affected person.

    If you’re going to lecture others on GDPR enforcement, make sure you know who the relevant enforcement body is first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    I'd say a 101 course on gdpr would do you the world of good


    The real reason people want to be able to see who is on the tee sheet is to try to avoid know nothing bores you see



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,954 ✭✭✭coillcam


    You stop using the system. I'd imagine your other option here is calling the pro shop to book you a slot. Using an alias or name like "an other".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,478 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Did you read the bit in the guidance I posted about “no negative consequences” and if “without detriment”?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,478 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    The reasons for other people wanting to see player information is irrelevant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,954 ✭✭✭coillcam


    You can still book a tee time. To use the system is conditional on consenting.

    Maybe I'm being dumb or tired here. What's the negative consequence or detriment from your interpretation?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,478 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    How do you book a tee time? Surely the bottom will fall out of the first tee if the other nosey parkers can’t check the booking times for all players?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    No they aren't, that is the whole point


    You should read the whole document


    The names are necessary for the booking system to work properly


    Hence they can be used


    Gdpr is not there to assist unreasonable people like yourself



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,478 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    They’re not necessary though. People can book a slot without their information being widely shared. Sharing of information is not intrinsic to making a booking.

    Sharing of information is only wanted for other nosey players.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,337 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    Did you just come here to troll? You clearly are one of these guys who has no clue about GDPR. Used to see a lot of it in the early days, fools saying that we couldn’t keep invoice records of customers when they were no longer customers and lots of other stupid stuff like that.

    If you feel so strongly about it maybe you should take a case that you seem so convinced would be a slam dunk, but then I suspect you probably don’t even play golf.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,478 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I couldn’t take a case because I’m not directly impacted by it. And no, I don’t play golf, which has precisely zero to the with the GDPR compliance of the booking system.

    If your system relies on people thinking good things about golf, it’s not a great system.

    And btw, you can’t keep those customer invoices for ever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    Nope, you can design a system like this in a reasonable way, nothing to do with being nosey and there's nowt you can do about it


    Read the full document


    As long as there's a valid reason for the names you are **** out of luck



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,478 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    GDPR is just a bit more complex than that.

    What lawful basis of processing would you be relying on?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭monkeybutter



    It's not

    You seem to try and over complicate everything

    That it isn't unecessarily disruptive of the service being provided is part of gdpr


    Have you ever tried to do any of this?

    Or are you just a googler



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,478 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    So again, what lawful basis of processing would you be relying on?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    I already answered you



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