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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Fat chance of that.

    Regarding his last opponent, their corruption trial starts today.

    Gillum put out a big public statement hoping to defend himself. We'll see what happens..



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,846 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    What do Dominion get by settling though?

    They have Fox dead to rights on this.

    At an absolute minimum they should get their money and a very public and oft repeated on air public apology from Fox leadership AND all of the in air presenters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Who knows if they will settle, but they are well incentivized to try and give it their best shot. Fox News has cash on hand averaging over $5 Bn and Rupert is worth $17 Bn. They could, if they wanted, offer Dominion a lot more than they're asking for in a closed-settlement.

    If I were Dominion though honestly there's no settlement amount or wordy apology they could write that would convince me Fox News was contrite about anything other than getting caught. Tucker Carlson would just deadly read the mandated apology and then smirk like he just saw a mexican family getting evicted on the way to work


    With this much dead to rights evidence in their favor, there's no sense in not going to trial and putting the Fox brand to account on record.

    But Dominion? I have no idea if they operate on sense, and they're worth less (way less) than fox.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,771 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    You think Dominion are going to get 1.6 Billion in court ?

    No chance, Dominion was acquired for $80 million in 2018.

    No chance of the buyers getting back 20x their investement from Fox.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,398 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    Just watching a bit of a disgusting Trump speech at an NRA convention where he basically blamed transgenderism for mass shootings in the US. There is literally no end to how low this guy is willing to go, is there?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,170 ✭✭✭✭briany


    No, but he knows exactly what he is doing. It's classic muddying the waters technique. Today it's transgenderism. Yesterday it was first person shooter games. Red herrings designed to derail progress towards meaningful change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    But his cult members here will still ignore this, stay quiet for a day or two and then come back and say they don't support "the donald" but ignore his disgusting statements and come out with some random "fact" like he has the voters cos he hot some record breaking" amount of votes (ignoring the fact Biden got more).

    Nevermind that trump gave speech at NRA conference: "so what? Gun violence is not because of guns. Its because of transgenders. The Donald said so and 74 million people can't be wrong... but I'm not a fan. Just saying facts. Anyway, did you see they are putting a prison beside disneyland? That'll show the libtards. All those tax payers losing jobs if it goes belly up. But its ok, they are all woke"


    TELL ME I'm wrong. Tell me I'm f#cking wrong. Fed up talking to his f#cking cheerleaders and cultists. Disgusting lot. Think ill take a break as I'm more and more disgusted watching them wriggle out some support for him and his hate-cult.

    You want to know if I'm f#cking triggered? I ask what is wrong with people who do NOT deplore his actions?

    If you are not, then take a good hard look at yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,476 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    Untitled Image

    I've confessed to God, I don't need forgiveness from you lot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,599 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Funny, doesn’t look like a drag queen.

    Tbh, I’m not surprised anymore.

    The Republican Party is in the gutter.

    There is definitely more to this story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,036 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Are you going to claim you made a bet on this? Here's a screenshot of your post so you can't edit it when the decision comes through

    Screenshot_20230418-081330.png

    Considering the value of the contract secured for the voting machines, 1.6 Billion is a reasonable amount



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,093 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Regardless of the final payout,the real loser in all this is Trump and his supporters.

    Not only have the claims of vote rigging been thrown out of any court it was tested at, this case shows that far from the left wing woke media lying to people it was actually a concerted effort from Trump and Fox that lied to the American people and Trumps supporters.

    Fox News, worked to actively get the result of a democratic election overturned despite knowing that the election was fair.

    It continued to push Trumps agenda, despite knowing it was all a lie simply to further it political and financial goals.

    It shows Trump is a liar and that his continued insistance that the election was stolen is nothing more than a con perpetrated on his gullible supporters.

    How anyone can still stand by and say they have anytime for Trump is not only a dangerous fool, but an active danger to democracy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,948 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Honestly, this changes nothing. Trumps supporters will still support him and his opponents will still oppose him. No minds have been changed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,843 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    The trouble is Fox News viewers are never going to accept it. The courts are biased against Fox News and conservatives, they conspired with Sleepy Joe's DoJ to damage Fox News' reputation and harm them financially, Trump is right about everything, the next election will be stolen.

    I mean even here we've had numerous reveals about Tucker Carlson's true opinions on Trump, the Jan 6th riot, and how Fox needs to do what they have to do to prevent their viewers from switching to another channel, and yet people here still posted Carlson's selective cherry-picking of security footage designed to drive that exact same narrative.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,846 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Agree completely.

    Anyone that still believes that the Election was stolen is long gone past saving.

    If Fox loses and have to admit they lied on TV, no one is going to have the scales fall from their eyes and suddenly accept that Biden won fair and square.

    Either they will think that Fox were coerced and have just "said what they needed to say to get past the courts" and just continue watching Tucker 5 nights a week or they will think that Fox has gone RINO and they will switch over to NewsMax or similar.

    Not a one of them will change their minds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,036 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Additionally, I think fox will just drop the story and those viewers will just forget it ever happened, they'll have a speeded up warning at the end of each program ala those pharmaceutical adverts. But the long term effects of this lawsuit, and the subsequent smartmatic suit that is an even bigger amount of damages saught, will see the break up of the fox news network and selling of those assets to meet those damages



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,846 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I know that Dominion are looking for 1.6B but are there court rules about the maximum payout?

    I have seen cases in the past where the payout were legally limited to relatively small amounts , but not sure if that applies in this specific case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,093 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Don't get fixated on the payout. That is what Trump and posters like MisterAnarchy want as they the conversation revolves around the size of the payout rather than the actual reality of what happened.

    I don't know anything about Dominions financial position and the financial impact that this lie may have on their future business, but that is for them to calculate. What this case is showing is the level of deceit and the way that Fox News knowingly spread lies and disinformation in order to subvert democracy and the basis of them wanted Trump to win.

    And it shows that Trump, although every critical thinking person already knew this, has been knowingly lying the entire time and continues to use this lie to scam funds from his supporters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,007 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    I cant see dominion simply settling for a payout, there will have to be an apology and possibly scalps



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,843 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I'd agree. Dominion obviously put as big a figure on it as could be considered practical, but it's probably unlikely they'd ever get such a figure. You sue for as much as possible, and get awarded as much as you can prove. They'd likely get far more than the $80m they may have been worth a few years ago. They're suing for the huge reputational damage done to the company.

    Ultimately though, considering Fox News' defense is centered on freedom of the press and the First Amendment, a win by Dominion regardless of the actual financial payout would substantially prove that Fox News acted with purposeful intent beyond what could be considered reasonable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,174 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Dominion are a company, not a person, and it will do (or the board will do) what is best economically for the company.

    If enough money is offered, and on a cold factual basis it makes sense to take it, it will be accepted.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,007 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    I see what you are saying but the reason they took the case was primarily to repair the reputational damage done to them, a payout by itself doesn't do that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,938 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    I think, I mean it's possible, ok then, it's very likely...

    That Ali is being painted into a corner by MAGA loons and they decided to wreck his "reputation" before he follows through on the threat he implies in the retweeted screen grab below.




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,846 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Oh I totally understand that.

    The key victory for Dominion will be the vindication of their companies reputation etc.

    But the size of the payout is where Fox will feel the pain - They may lose more advertisers as a result of this and might even lose a few viewers but having to pay out a large sum of cash will hurt them more.

    My inquiry was whether or not they might be able to wriggle out of the costs because of some statute limiting the amount payable - I know that in one of the Alex Jones cases despite the Jury awarding a very large sum against him , the actual payout will be much much smaller because the law in that state provides for a maximum penalty in libel cases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,715 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,617 ✭✭✭swampgas


    Apparently a problem here is the Dominion may want Fox to admit they were at fault to clear their own reputation - but by doing so Fox would be opening themselves up to even more legal cases from investors, who would taking an indirect loss for any payment made by Fox to Dominion. Fox will be looking for a confidential settlement where they don't really have to admit any wrongdoing, but Dominion, for reputational reasons, need the admission.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,846 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    So Court is is then , because a private pay-out doesn't really get Dominion what it needs or wants I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I see Hires The Best People is lashing out at former chief of staff Mick Mulvaney for being a “born loser” 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,894 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,894 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    The thing is he's still using the big lie. You'd think that, at this point, anyone with even an ounce of honour would have dropped it by now. But Trump still continues to spread a blatant lie about a "stolen election". He probably can't believe how fucking stupid his supporters are himself.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭Tippex


    The only problem with this as I see it.

    Yes dominion are looking for the reputational repair of fox admitting they lied and there was nothing wrong with the Dominion "product".

    However, if it is true that Dominion's revenue on average is 18m per year and they were to receive the 1.6b they are suing for, that would be almost 90 years of revenue in a single case (a 6 week case). TBH if that was my business and I received that payout would I consider taking it in as a shareholder and running for the hills who wants the slog of working for 90 years lol



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