Irish Property Market chat II - *read mod note post #1 before posting*

6 last summer. Even more already handed in notice for end of this year.

The second article gives a decent view of costs

Monthly expenses

Rent: €1,125

Apartment bills: €100

Car insurance: €400 per year

Gym: €150

Phone bill: Work covers this

Health insurance: Work covers this

Public transport: n/a

Subscriptions: VPN – €9.99, Amazon Prime – €5.99, uTorrent- €0.00

Plus there a day to day spend Monday to Sunday, apparently golf green fees are very expensive if that's you cup of tea

Teachers appear to get Rent subsidies, health insurance as part of their package. It would seem considerably cheaper to Dublin

Was flying with Emirates recently and our daughters name caught the attention of one of the stewardesses. She was spanish based in Ireland in the noughties but now moved onto Dubai, appears to be very worker friendly

Yes if your young educated and locked out of Irish housing. A no brainer, if you can handle the heat.

Would oil generate similar revenues to corporation tax per chance. It's all about how you spend it. Do they use oil revenue to drive up house prices and rents like we do with corporation tax or use it to make housing more affordable. Encourage or discourage workers that add value to the state

All choices open to us, we are a country that rewards speculators that add no value while they appear to make things easier for people that add significant value to the state. You have a lovely pile of expensive blocks while they take our future

I think Dubai and similar is great if you're young, single or independent but I can't see how 30 or 40 somethings with kids and partners would want to live there without a typical support network of extended family or friends. I know families do it and endure it but I think they have to make more compromises than a 20something with no ties.

Company paid for schools. Pints were not that much more than here tbh. Depends where you go for your pints. Its too hot to drink pints anyway I found.

Groceries. I never even noticed if they were expensive or not. I do notice how expensive they are in Ire3land now though.

Internet is free everywhere. I never heard of an apartment building without free internet anyway. Its probably even better nowadays.

But if you are into going out and spending your money you would have to try very, very, very hard to spend even the tax you would have paid on it in Ireland. You could live the high life over there and you would never spend the money you make.

As I said above, the heat really is like nothing people here have ever experienced before. Its like living in an oven. Now some people dont mind that, but there is only so long you can go without wanting to have fresh air, at least for me anyway.

I think Dubai is not a place that anyone would live long term (well i know a few who do, but not too many freckly Irish people). It is however a place to go for maybe 5 to 10 years to bring back more money than you ever dreamed of with you. And if you are into the party and drinking scene, that is there too for you. You can even play hurling there.

I lasted just over a year and then had a conversation with the wife and we decided to come home. It was all me who wanted to come home really, she would have been happy to stay for another few years though.

If someone were to ask me should they live in Dubai, I would say definitely go if you want to make a lot of money in a few years. But you probably wouldnt want to live there long term. There are nicer countries to move to to live, but none that I know of where you can make money that fast.

"Underdeveloped" - by what metric?

Population density is not a good measure of development or available land use by the way, otherwise countries like, USA, Russia, Canada, Finland, Sweden etc are all chronically underdeveloped.

And since when are teaching graduates Irelands "best and brightest"? Surely the best and brightest are those in high paying jobs here in ireland such that they can afford our high house prices?

Incredible.

This would have been a much better value site just beside it…

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/dromore-portland-road-the-burnaby-greystones-co-wicklow/4673397

No problem with that but they shouldn’t be able to keep their jobs open for them in Ireland.

Most post primary school teachers git teaching after getting an average arts degree which they got with leaving cert points in the 350-400 points marks. Most are only a semi specialist in 1-2 subjects.

They then do a masters in education. It's only lately that primary teachers are required to have higher level maths. Previously a C in pass maths was acceptable.

Last comment as don’t want to derail the thread

The shortage would be greatly alleviated if they got rid of the five year career break. Adds to the difficulty of getting a permanent post which puts people off teaching as a career. Was the reason I didn’t pursue teaching myself.

The Teachers’ Council drags its feet for years on ‘non standard’ applications. They make it almost impossible for experienced applicants from overseas to register. It’s also next to impossible for experienced scientists and accountants to register to teach STEM subjects and accountancy as they haven’t got the Mickey Mouse teaching qualification.

The shortage could easily be addressed without increasing pay if the will was there.

A lot take the career break to leave their permanent school in Dublin, go down the country and start subbing in other schools to get their name around for fixed terms and then maybe panel rights prior to resigning their position in the Dublin school.

Why do they do this - they cannot afford to live or rare a family in the greater Dublin area.