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Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 314 ✭✭SnazzyPig


    Can someone show me where Riley Gaines claimed Lia Thomas flashed at women in the swimming changing rooms?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭Tipperary animal lover


    I'm making nothing up, I'm going by what you said in your post and what has been posted in the news, great to see your still victim blaming, Just what we need in the lgbt community a pure ally out and out, infairness it most be fantastic been 100% right all the time, go team ally



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    All I’m asking is for evidence that this assault happened, because the woman making the claims has a tendency to make a lot of unfounded claims in order to get money from supporters.

    There is none, despite all of the cameras and despite the high security and police presence there have been no arrests.

    There is nobody else who was there who is backing up her account. It’s just her making these claims.

    Surely that should raise some eyebrows, no? Or are you so warped that you have no want to actually ask any questions?

    Very easy to say I’m victim blaming when you have nothing else to say. You said the assault could be seen in the video but even Riley Gaines says that it’s not there. Amazing that you can say you’re making nothing up when the grifter you’re supporting doesn’t even back up your claims.

    Pure and utter delusion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭Tipperary animal lover


    I'm supporting no one, the trans movement has been taken over by a rabbit crowd that your happy to stand by, the carry on isn't supported by a lot of older trans people, ive four very good friends that are older trans and since this has all blown up, they don't feel comfortable out and about compared to two years ago, the carry on has pole axed people, your looking for evidence that it did happen can you give me evidence that it didn't, you just presume that someone that doesn't agree with this new trans movement is against trans rights( which they have the same rights as you and i) is in the wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    The person who committed assault here did not get arrested, that must mean it never happened 🤔




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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    You just going to ignore ‘billboard Chris’ putting his hand on her?

    Of course you will, because as I’ve pointed out many times, people will see what they want to see even though the evidence (or sometimes lack of) is right in front of them



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    I’m not standing by any crowd.

    I asked for evidence Riley Gaines was assaulted. There is none. She is a pathological liar and a grifter.

    Four times she has claimed to have been the victim of a crime and instead of reporting it to police, she uses it to boost her profile and to make money from her idiot followers.

    It’s the same here. Make a claim that trans people are attacking her, go on Tucker Carlson. Make money.

    She will make another unfounded claim next month and the same people will be spewing hatred towards everyone else except her, when if she was claimed to have been raped by a cis-man the same people frothing with hatred would be demanding that she provide proof.

    Burden of proof is only when it suits certain agendas, I see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭BruteStock




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,826 ✭✭✭✭briany


    One thing about Lia Thomas, apart from what is being discussed above, is that because I don't follow this whole cultural debate that closely, I had to go look her up on Wikipedia, and I found only one reference to her ever having been identified as a male in some way, as quoted speech, in the 'Public Debate' section of the article. Her birth name isn't listed either. That isn't true of other transgender celebrities I know of like Elliot Page or Caitlyn Jenner. Their former names are right at the top of the article.

    The reasoning given for this in the 'Talk' section of the article is because she was not notable under her former name.




  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    I’m well equipped.

    Maybe you should learn not to put your hands on anyone.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,572 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Mod - There is a lot of bad faith posting going on, and also a lot of "so what you're saying is [INSERT SOMETHING NOBODY SAID]"

    It stops now or threadbans can be expected



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,856 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Just to check we're in the same reality, but you did see that 'billboard chris' made the first move to physicality then it immediately backfired on chris as he got his butt handed to him on a plate?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    Screaming and spitting obscenities into someones face is abuse. The trans individual made the first move. Nobody should have to stand there and take that sort of abuse. The activist provoked the man into gently defending himself so he had reason to attack him violently . I'm on the side of not abusing people for voicing an opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,412 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    And nobody has come out and refuted the claims either, you'd think someone in the locker room would speak up if there's lies being spread about one of their colleagues

    Have you seen the other videos of that night? She was trapped in a side room by a rabid mob for 3 hours, there was what I could only describe as a swat team of over 20 officers called in about 2 hours in to the standoff to aid the not insignificant security that was already there...


    Madness



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭satguy


    A Transgender man should not be competing in women's events,, ever..

    What if back in the day someone like Mike Tyson wanted to identify as a woman, and was then allowed nearly kill some young girl in the ring.

    So maybe its best to keep men out of ladies sports, and also out of their locker rooms too..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,856 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Ok, so you're not in the same reality as everyone else, you need to know that because everyone will be responding to you accordingly and you won't understand why.

    If you want to go to "first move" it was the billboard exercising their freedom to protest and then the lady protested against that. Billboard made it physical and got smacked down quickly from there.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,546 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    The victim blaming in that clip is amazing!



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    And yet not a single arrest was made despite a team of ‘20 officer swat team’ and a strong significant security and police presence.

    All I see are people shouting ‘trans rights are human rights’. And yet we are to believe someone who has continuously made claims that cannot be backed up by anybody.

    She made the claim, therefore it’s up to her to prove it. Where is it?

    Why are you against evidence? Are you afraid I might be correct?



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Making sh*t up again.

    Shame on you. Making disgusting claims about me like that.

    Riley Gaines is a liar and a grifter. How dare I ask a liar and a grifter for proof she was assaulted.

    ’Victim-blaming’ - you’re a fool if you think there shouldn’t be a question asked of her. You only give a **** because she’s a transphobic piece of ****.

    Glad to know where you stand.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    Faugheen I’ve seen lots of actual footage of what happened in the university. What do you think happened to Riley Gaines there? Do you think she should be allowed to speak? I can’t make out what your position is exactly on this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,856 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Again, to show the reality, I don't think anyone particularly agrees with someone being that in your face and harassing someone, it was all on camera and they could have reported it.

    Billboard made it physical which meant they were in the wrong.

    That billboard fell foul to harassment by someone else, which they are clearly trying to do themselves with the billboard in the first place, is karma and very few bar the loop-de-loos on the far right will give a second thought about it.

    But for the far right, like yourself, it's another set of alternative facts (lies) to get worked up about and then get all hot and bothered when others don't see things the same way and an unwillingness to understand that you're part of that very small hate-filled minority.

    That you'll fail to see this and see it as an attack and respond in kind is on you, always on you.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,546 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    He didn't even push her, he just put his hand up to stop her getting closer.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    I don’t know what happened to Riley Gaines. I can’t take her for her word because she seems to be the victim of physical or sexual attacks by trans people every month yet she makes no reports to police and nobody is ever arrested, all while her star and demand for her to spew her hatred on right-wing channels increases.

    I have seen zero evidence that she was assaulted. Nobody is backing her up, nobody has been arrested and yet she’s given a free reign on Tucker Carlson to say whatever she wants unchallenged.

    She can speak if she wants. However, people are also allowed to protest against her if they choose.

    I would hope Riley Gaines isn’t lying, but the fact she would go on Tucker Carlson and not even make a complaint to police suggests to me that there are more sinister, ulterior motives here.

    If you have footage of her being assaulted feel free to share it. I honestly have no problem admitting that she was and that the scumbags should be arrested.

    However, until such a time comes, or until there is an arrest and conviction, I’ll keep questioning this, and you should too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    In his reflections on evil in The Gulag Archipelago Solzhenitsyn emphasized that all people are capable of evil and that often evil is committed because those involved ignorantly believe themselves to be wholly and unmistakably on the side of good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Billboard made it physical which meant they were in the wrong.

    Jesus Christ. She's all but pressed against him just before it happens, her face is so close to his that he's likely being spat on. There was ramping aggression, getting closer, louder. She wanted to hurt the man before she was even near him. In a normal country that would be considered legal assault. Dissenting in a democracy is legal, he wasn't "harassing" anyone". You're purposely misusing legal language in an attempt to seem right. Why don't people like you just come out and say that you want to live in authoritarian state where your side gets to dictate how we all live and interact? I suppose though that would take honesty, something modernists loathe.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    To be fair they don’t need to refute it but prosecutors need hard evidence to bring forth a charge. If Faugheen is correct and this woman has a habit of making claims of illegal violence that are never followed up on it is specious when there is no direct evidence of the assault alleged especially in the presence of so much security and law enforcement (20+ body cameras? Bueller?). The MediaITE report I shared didn’t corroborate the attack it just reported her claim.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,546 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    It's the same as "I'm not touching so you can't get mad" thing kids do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    That’s another example where, if she wants to allege she was raped during those 3 hours she’d ought to present prosecutorial evidence to court.

    Since this isn’t rape being alleged though I see no reason to escalate the rhetoric in the thread to hysterical, counterfactual levels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    There is no bottom, they truly believe in "by any means necessary" in the most literal sense.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I’ve seen some hollow rhetoric in this thread but I could reverb the hell out of old man River really well inside of how hollow those words are.



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