What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

Cody montana · 05-04-2023 06:27AM

On a side note.

“BREAKING: in a overweighted defeat for Trump Republicans, Janet Protasiewicz defeated Daniel Kelly for Wisconsin Supreme Court.”

Leroy42 · 05-04-2023 06:52AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120442122#Comment_120442122

So you think this is all part of a political ploy to get at Trump. And in all this nefarious planning, involving senior people across multiple areas, you think that none of them would have thought that this might actually help Trump?

Because what, they weren't aware he had such a cult following and the GOP would get behind him no matter what?

But you know.

archermoo · 05-04-2023 07:30AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120441955#Comment_120441955

So are you saying that you think all politicians are regularly breaking the law and that up until now they've just been allowed to get away with it? And that what, charging Trump broke some kind of unwritten agreement that politicians are above the law?

Trump has been indicted because the New York DA has enough evidence that he committed 34 felonies that a grand jury voted to indict him on all of those charges. If there is sufficient evidence against other politicians that they have committed crimes then that evidence should be submitted to a grand jury in the appropriate jurisdiction. No one should be above the law. The only thing political about Trump having been indicted is the idea that since he used to be President he shouldn't be held accountable for his crimes.

everlast75 · 05-04-2023 07:33AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120442180#Comment_120442180

His followers know that trump wants to be like other dictators around the world and through their following/worship of this guy, they have been trained to think that there's nothing wrong with their leader being above the law.

He has normalised this for them.

But only where he is concerned.

That's only where the person who is acting this way is doing so in furtherance of what they want. They are happy to look the other way.

Hell, they'll even throw money at the guy even when they know deep down he is lying to them.

But if there's a whiff, even artificially, of any illegality by someone they don't agree with, well then that's entirely different.

They have no problem summarily convicting Hillary, Joe Biden or Hunter Biden, Pelosi, Pence, Barr, McCarthy, McConnell - whoever criticises "their guy".

That's why there will always be a reluctance to accept facts and an overwhelming urge to look the other way/deflect.

everlast75 · 05-04-2023 07:36AM

Serious question time.

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1643431516809117698?s=20

Is wearing fake tan and trying to look like trump a punishment trump inflicts on his subordinates, or is it a choice by them to do so?

Tony EH · 05-04-2023 07:42AM

Send money so the "billionaire" can fight his case.

Fkn 'ell

EltonJohn69 · 05-04-2023 07:43AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120441975#Comment_120441975

I think they released a video of him day drinking with women and going down a water slide…… loch him up ?

EltonJohn69 · 05-04-2023 07:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120442184#Comment_120442184

Hunter is the real quiz

firemansam4 · 05-04-2023 07:54AM

Im not going to pretend I know that much about the ins and outs of this case, because I dont.

Some posters here, seem to be saying that this is some kind of witch hunt against Trump and are basing this on Trump making a simple book keeping error in one case.

However as far as I can make out these charges seem to show a whole litany of falsifying the books and trying to cover it up to help Donny look better. Doesn't seem to be a case of one simple error to me, or am I missing something?

odyssey06 · 05-04-2023 07:55AM

This has probably been covered earlier on the thread, but it's a big thread and I'm playing catch up:

All these shenanigans (other than the classified docs) are caused by Trump using campaign funds to pay the hush money, and falsify said documentation trail?

If Trump had paid this directly from his own pocket, there'd be no felony?

archermoo · 05-04-2023 08:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120442453#Comment_120442453

No. As if often the case in this kind of situation the fact that he tried to cover up the payment is where at least most of the problem came in. Which is why he has been charged with 34 counts of falsifying business records. He has been indicted for trying to cover up the payments, not for having made them.

VinLieger · 05-04-2023 08:05AM

An interesting side note is it seems Trumps real height and weight have finally publicly been revealed and shock horror he is not the 6'3 239 pound all star athlete hes previously claimed. But we already knew that considering in pictures he appears shorter than the likes of Trudeau who is 6'2 and the same height as Obama who is 6'1.

Not to mention him being 6'3 and 239 pounds puts him along side some impressive looking athletes.....

https://twitter.com/DanClarkSports/status/953424503953960960?s=20

https://twitter.com/WheresMyArk_23/status/953395056991404032?s=20

https://twitter.com/POLITICSofVIDEO/status/953442824393035778?s=20

Now many of his supporters will say "so what" or "Its not a big deal" etc

But this just adds to the evidence he lies about literally everything. Also if the stats from yesterday are true, of 6'1 and 270 pounds, according to the CDC he has moved from being simply overwieght to being clinically obese, which again is unsurprising but nice to have confirmed something our eyes have been telling us for quite a while now.

Penn · 05-04-2023 08:11AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120442453#Comment_120442453

It's part of what makes the case pretty complex; Trump did use his own money (or rather, money from his businesses) rather than explicitly using campaign money. However, the reason why they made the payments as part of trying to cover up the Stormy Daniels affair was because it the affair became public, it would damage his Presidential campaign.

And so the payment could be deemed to be money Trump spent on his own campaign, and therefore was improperly declared, as well as the numerous cases of falsifying business records to cover it. It was Cohen who paid off Daniels, but was then reimbursed by Trump through various false means of payments for legal retainer or other expenses which weren't true.

So even without the campaign stuff there could still be charges relating to falsifying business records. That's my reading on it anyway.

Rawr · 05-04-2023 08:11AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120442453#Comment_120442453

I believe that's the jist of it. It's the falsification of payment records which is a crime in New York. The Trump Organisation itself has been up to similar shenanigans over the years, and have been detected doing it. But this is the first time in a while that Trump is suspected of personally doing it.

Tony EH · 05-04-2023 08:27AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120442474#Comment_120442474

In fairness, he may well weigh 239lbs. but there's a huge (pardon the pun) difference between 239lbs of fat and 239lbs of trained muscle.

Quin_Dub · 05-04-2023 08:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120441955#Comment_120441955

They've been doing that for years and with Clinton before that and they haven't found anything.

There's a very simple reason that none of them have been charged for all the things that Republicans say they should be charged for.

They have not avoided prosecution because the GOP have taken some kind of moral stand (as if) and decided not to go after them because of some kind of political precedent.

It's because there is no evidence and they are not guilty of any of the things that the GOP claim.

Quin_Dub · 05-04-2023 08:37AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120442245#Comment_120442245

That's HUGE for the elections.

That gives the Democrats a 4 v 3 advantage in the State Supreme Court and will probably result in the over-turning of the wildly partisan gerrymandered districts giving the Democracts a solid shot at multiple seats.

It also likely neuters any potential future attempts at screwing with Election results.

PropJoe10 · 05-04-2023 08:39AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120441955#Comment_120441955

Isn't that what they've been doing for years now? If either Joe or Hunter Biden have committed crimes, then they should be charged, just like any other US citizen. The bottom line here is that nobody should be above the law, as everyone should want their public officials to be non-criminals. I don't know what's so difficult to understand about this.

PropJoe10 · 05-04-2023 08:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120442391#Comment_120442391

This is a public representative asking the public to hand over their hard-earned dollars to a billionaire so that he can fight his lawsuits. What a disgusting little man Lindsay Graham really is.

Quin_Dub · 05-04-2023 08:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120442453#Comment_120442453

He did pay for it himself (technically) but because it was to benefit his campaign by hiding bad news about him from Voters, it becomes relevant in the context of campaign finance laws.

Also because he is a complete shyster he tried to hide the money as a business expense that he could write off against taxes etc. instead of simply paying it directly from his own pocket and saying/doing nothing more - The total involved was something like $150k which should be pocket change for a billionaire right??

So , yet again his arrogance , hubris and utter meanness with money will be his undoing.

everlast75 · 05-04-2023 09:00AM

They will have David Pecker and Allen Weisselberg all saying the same thing. It'll be corroborated by Cohen.

The defence will sling **** at Cohen and while they will say correctly he is a scumbag, there are tapes which are irrefutable.

Also, they won't be able to lay a glove on the other two. And they will have receipts.

I honestly think this is a winnable case but the reality it it'll take over a year to get anywhere.

But in the meantime, trump has been charged, he has been arraigned and *there was no riot*.

So much for there being hell to pay.

Perhaps the penny has dropped with his supporters that he doesn't care about them.

He didn't march with them.

He didn't pay any of their legal fees.

He didn't pardon them.

He left them high and dry.

They were and are being prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and he did nothing.

I reckon that's warned them off any further violence.

He does have E Jean Carroll in 3 weeks.

He'll also have Georgia, the special counsel and possible charges for January 6 to contend with before this case is over.

Quin_Dub · 05-04-2023 09:08AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120442694#Comment_120442694

People are correct to some extent about this case.

It is the "weakest" of the cases , but that doesn't mean he is not guilty and shouldn't be held accountable for his actions though.

Ultimately he probably gets a fine and a suspended sentence of some kind , but he'll still be a convicted felon.

The other cases are much bigger and carry much larger risk for him though as the Georgia and Federal cases will definitely result in actual incarceration if convicted.

everlast75 · 05-04-2023 09:15AM

If this isn't a metaphor, I don't know what it

https://twitter.com/cluedont/status/1643526125769875456?s=20

randd1 · 05-04-2023 09:23AM

Looking in the paper at the transcripts of his "speech" (speech would be kind given its rambling nature), does anyone else get the sense each ramble is less a campaign effort and more of a Fr Ted's Golden Cleric style rant?

"That was traitors. And now onto corrupt prosecutors".

It would be funny only for the fact that he's the head of the Republican Anger cult, and the potential danger that poses.

cj maxx · 05-04-2023 09:25AM

Now that the Stormy Daniels story is known I expect Putin to reveal stories about the D and golden showers from a Russian hooker 😬😬

Quin_Dub · 05-04-2023 09:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120442799#Comment_120442799

If Putin has dirt on Trump he'll keep it quiet , he needs Trump influential and compliant.

If Trump had won in 2020 , Putin would have had a puppet installed long ago in Ukraine as Trump wouldn't have lifted a finger to help them when Putin invaded.

cj maxx · 05-04-2023 09:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120442818#Comment_120442818

So true

Quin_Dub · 05-04-2023 09:49AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120442784#Comment_120442784

His "Campaign" will just be all about him (obviously).

ALL he will talk about is how badly he is being treated and he will offer nothing in terms of discernible policy or plan.

It will be incredibly boring to all but the most fervent "fans" who could listen to him reading the McDonalds drive-thru menu and think they'd just heard the Gettysburg address.

Outside of the GOP Right wing fever dream he is a busted flush.

Water John · 05-04-2023 09:54AM

The Wisconsin vote shows the Dems simply get the vote out. Let Trump stand and lose.

everlast75 · 05-04-2023 10:23AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120442784#Comment_120442784

Exactly the same thought about Father Ted and the speech

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