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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,582 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Can Dee Forbes and RTE tell us what "other things" actually is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,190 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Moving expenses, executive expenses, executive cars, a pension.... Try it some time...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,346 ✭✭✭✭elperello




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,346 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I don't even like quiz shows so I'll be at a loss to know if it's any good.

    As I've said many times before all that "top 10 paid too much" won't amount to a hill of beans in the overall picture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,190 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    But you can make a small cut to Lyric FM and that will? Or you can cut funding to children's tv and that will? or you can cut funding to indo drama and that will? or you can increase licence fee funding to RTÉ2fm and continue to spend 25m on imported programming. you can be gifted an exit from the NSO from the Dept in 2021 but not take it until 2022.


    All ads up you should look at that link as to what RTÉ do then consider what they don't do, much like quiz shows they don't make an awful lot of them, weather you like something or not RTÉ should at least try. I don't like chat shows but I don't think RTÉ should axe all of the ones they produce.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,346 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I'd safely say there's not a company or organisation of any kind that couldn't do with a good look under the bonnet.

    The sooner the better we decide what it is we want from public broadcasting and then fund it.

    Obviously we are in agreement that we don't expect to like everything that appears on our screens but have no problem with it being there for others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,190 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    So you saying that the incoming DG should take a good look under that bonnet see what's going on? Maybe propose a restructuring of the their executive board and a oneness to the organisation that would remove the silos within the organisation.

    And I suppose over the next 7 years you'd propose that we set up and Joint Committee of the Oireachtas to examine what PSB/M is and what kind of PSB/M we want and to then provide a report to the Minister in charge... and following that I don't know a Forum on Broadcasting that the government of the day would agree to carrying out its works without delay ... followed by an interdepartmental look at the funding of RTÉ which should report back in Nov 2030?

    And wash and repeat?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,161 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    One fairly simple answer is for the new DG's remuneration to be performance related. They'll get a decent enough base salary - If they clean the place up, make the changes needed, cut costs and do what ever else they see necessary, they get a lovely big bonus, if not, it's just the base salary

    Dee seemed to think that the job entailed - Getting a massive salary/bonus/pension/car allowance etc and in return, all she had to do was talk management speak waffle twice a year, do lunch with the girls, beg for more money from the government three times a year, hide anytime anything controversial happened and avoid the PAC.

    If anything in the country needed to be kicked over to a citizens assembly (at a bare min), it's RTE



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,346 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Good one 🙂

    You know the old saying about the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

    We really don't have time for shadow boxing and playing games.

    I'd hope for a quick and decisive process but I'm prepared to be disappointed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,190 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    But you've never really said what you want or how you would fund it, you can't have an agreement without putting forward some opinion on what PSB/M is or what it should be in the future. You've continual had the line "The sooner the better we decide what it is we want from public broadcasting and then fund it." but you've never really expressed an opinion that either the current service provided by either PSB/M is bad or good. Though I think you've mentioned exchequer funding.

    Your argument remains circular even when I point out all of the things that have been progress by different Ministers and departments since Dee Forbes became DG of RTÉ.

    You seem not to think that the change in DG helps to constantly review the workings of RTÉ and that you'd "safely say there's not a company or organisation of any kind that couldn't do with a good look under the bonnet." have they even looked under that bonnet?

    And to avoid any defense of RTÉ you end your post with things like "I'd hope for a quick and decisive process but I'm prepared to be disappointed."

    But you tell us nothing of where you are on the topic at hand.

    For example what do you think of the news service provided on RTÉ2 versus its commercial counterpart VMTV ONE or its PSB counterpart TG4. And does the answer tell you something?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,346 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Actually on this occasion I dropped into the thread to make a point about Tommy Tiernan.

    One thing borrowed another and here we are.

    As I have outlined before many times I want a Public Broadcasting Service that is properly funded.

    I would like to see broad community agreement as to the shape and scope of the PBS.

    My own preference is for direct exchequer funding.

    I'm not defending or attacking anyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,190 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I though you were making about about BoC and his relationship to a former RTÉ executive! I think TT's point was lost, when you posted a link to the 99% of "other things" RTÉ provide.

    And the Broad community support for what we want for PSB has been given, and several times over, there are only so many consultations that you can have.

    I disagree with direct exchequer funding which I have outline and TG4's exchequer funding is a good example of why it should not be exchequer lead.

    You want better funding but for what? What we have?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,346 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    The John Caden ref. was a different thread.

    Things often get lost in threads.

    I expect we will continue with the licence which while it's not a deal breaker for me is a very 20th century way of funding.

    Better funding for what we want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,190 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Arrrghhh honestly take out the "we" and tell what you would like. If lets say you were in a discussion at a public forum organized by officialdom and the first question was: -

    What do you believe public service broadcasting to be?

    How would you answer this.

    If you want to explore what people want you need to tell others what you would like? They might turn around and say I disagree but ... I do agree with X, Y and Z. Then you come to some conclusion as to what people want in general. It could be simply be:-

    I think RTÉ do a good job on the budget the have and I believe that the only issue is funding and I think we need to increase it, but in general I believe the we should keep the current set up of services and content coming from the 2 incumbents.*

    *This is a sample answer to the question. I may agree or disagree with this statement, but would be happy to discuss such a statement in a forum to progress the idea of what the public in general may want or may agree to.


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  • Posts: 491 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The only 2 cuts from RTE's 2019 masterplan that have been implemented is the very modest cut to top presenters pay and the shutdown of 4 or 5 Dab radio transmitters. With dab, the network closed but the stations remained and expenditure on RTE Gold has ballooned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,346 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Relax, this is just a friendly chat about telly and radio.

    My personal preferences are only peripheral to the discussion.

    Answer your own questions and I'll stick to posting in my comfort zone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,190 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I know but I cannot have a friendly chat or any type of conversation with someone who's really unwilling to give any views on the topic at hand, I may as well talk to the wall.

    I will continue to try to convince you and others that RTÉ is badly managed and I will put forward many examples of such bad management. I hope you are seeing that and are listening.

    Perfect example. They also failed to move the NSO over to the NCH in 2021, costing the ~€8m in that year. Imagine after producing an "independent" report in 2017/2018 and then getting government "in principle" agreement with the move that when they got the full green light following many meetings with the NCH from 2018 to 2020, neither management team could make the move for 2021!

    Terrible management of the state broadcaster by all involved. IMO.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 663 ✭✭✭Marcos


    So you obviously didn't see the absolute car crash interview with Pussy Riot after they got out of one of Putin's Gulags? This was the first interview they did after their release, and their first in the west, so it was a big thing. O'Connor made an absolute show of himself in that interview. It was almost as if he didn't want them at all and resented the fact that they were getting more attention than he was. Not much nous or empathy on display that day. But plenty of ego though.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,346 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Once again we have run up against the buffers.

    Just in conclusion I would like to assure you that I post in good faith on this thread just like yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,190 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    RTÉ NCH NSO | Toy Show The Musical | Children's Content

    I am of the view that we should have both the NSO and the RTÉ CO as part of the cultural life of Ireland, my argument is that the management of RTÉ were unable to make the move they requested in 2018 in the required time frame of 2021, and instead it occurred in 2022.

    This is a loss to RTÉ of €8m which might have been spent on other content in RTÉ.

    In relation to The Toy Show the Musical. I am baffled that RTÉ seem to think they were unaware of the enormity of such a project coming up to Christmas, RTÉ through both the NSO and the RTÉ CO are aware of how theater performances work, but they seem clueless.

    RTÉ management in both Orchestras would be aware of costs and income involved in live events, for example the RTÉ CO hosted a number of LIVE scores to major movies in both the NCH and the Bord Gais Theatre, such programming would be at the more commercial end of both the NSO and the RTÉ CO output, much like that of the Toy Show The Musical.

    Then there is Dee Forbes' response to the failure of The Toy Show The Musical, I will let you read the response here: -

    https://www.rte.ie/eile/2022/1217/1342461-dee-forbes-rte-is-very-proud-of-toy-show-the-musical/

    As you can see it is ultimately a generic PR article that could be applied to any piece of content that RTÉ produces.

    For example RTÉ could apply it to Children's Content ... However, in 2016 after telling everyone that they would not cut children's content they had already cut it by 25% and in 2017 they'd cut it by 50%, children's content has never really recovered since those cuts were announced by RTÉ, some 7 years ago.

    On the other hand, TG4 would be well placed to write a similar article in relation to its Oscar Nominated film The Quiet Girl.

    Which bring me to RTÉ's insistence that it cannot produce drama alone, while The Quiet Girl's funding has equal amounts coming from TG4, Screen Ireland and Coimisiún na Meán (BAI) through the CINE4 project its cost was that of an episode of "Normal People" according to Dee Forbes at the Oireachtas Media committee, but Ms Forbes seems to forget that RTÉ have the ability to commission Drama at a cost of €100,000 per half hour at the lowest point and €250,000 at the mid point of TV drama production in Ireland, and they have done so successful in the past.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 819 ✭✭✭alzer100


    RTE Gold has virtually no budget, it is merely somewhere to put presenters that are already been paid a salary and are no longer required on RTE Radio 1 and 2FM. The arrival of Ronan Collins is no reflection of the stations budget and if Ms Forbes had her way, it would be off the air!



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Where exactly did the idea for the country-music special edition of the Late Late Show come from?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,577 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly




  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    I never thought of Tubs as being someone who had a special interest in country music, to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 799 ✭✭✭20/20


    I saw an article the other day where Tubs and his ego were taking all the credit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,823 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    I believe it was a one off, at first. Celebrating the likes of Big Tom, who wasn't long more for this world, tbh.

    But of course, Tubridy has never heard of 'too much of a good thing', so he decided to make it annual. More than likely to fill out his already dwindling guest list. Then he started adding people who were never country (Ronan Keating, Una Healy) to fill out the roster of guests, and even they got bored, so he started singing himself. Then it was the nieces and nephews of country singers, I think Declan Nerney or whoever has brought his niece or daughter on a few times (who genuinely knows), and each time she has a new face. The show got good ratings, I think, for the first episode, and I wouldn't blame it. It was a tribute to the likes of Big Tom, so for folks who hadn't seen him perform in a long while, it was a nice nostalgia trip for them.

    Now, the country special, like the Valentine's 'special' has unfortunately suffered from dwindling guests due to people dying, the aforementioned Big Tom being one of them.

    The frustrating thing is, I'm sure there are great singers out there... they're just not getting any promotion on the likes of the LLS. Which can be a great platform to showcase new talent. Instead, it's just the same old, same old.



  • Posts: 491 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Thoughts on RTE's announcement yesterday that longwave is closing down in 13 days time? They've wanted to close it since 2012 but have always ran into opposition from groups saying that lonely elderly Irish people in England without internet access have nothing to luck forward to except listening to Joe Duffy on longwave



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,346 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I know an old lad who listens to RTE 1 on longwave in his allotment shed in Manchester.

    Not necessarily a fan of JD but likes to keep up with news from Ireland which he left in the 60's not really voluntarily.

    He's not a bit lonely but I guess he'll miss it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,441 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    The idea for this latest country special came from the previous country special that was on about 6 months ago.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,190 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    But how much it is really going to save them, not much when you consider everything else. I mean it be like suggesting cutting top earner wages or cutting expenses to Executives, not really going to do much in the long term!


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