General Premier League Thread 2022-23 - mod note in OP 12/03/23

Their remaining fixture list is so friendly though, that they’ll almost definitely stay up and he will be seen as having been worth the risk.

They were only 3 points off of relegation so teams didn't need to win 3/4/5 just 1/2 because Palace looked nowhere near winning a game.

They got lazy in their perceived mid table safety and Viera has to take some blame for that.

Also if Fulham, Brentford and Brighton are fighting for Europe why not.

I don't think 12th is an underachievement either. It's about where I would expect them but a much safer 12th.

Viera has clearly lost the room and change for the sake of change actually does seem to work a lot of the time in soccer.

You reckon? I dont have spurs down as the fourth best squad in the league so the fact their fourth is overachieving for me. Same as last year, i thought he did an excellent job to get fourth. With the money spent by city/united/liverpool/chelsea you need to be doing well to break into the top 4, add in Arsenal and Newcastle i think if conte had of got 4th this season it would have been two excellent seasons.

I feel like he wants to win though and doesnt think 4th is winning. His downfall has been the cup performances, they should be in the fa cup semi and they shouldnt be getting knocked out of the cl by that milan team.

United spent big in the summer on antony, casemiro and martinez after spending big last summer too. Last year i put their poor season down to OGS so with a top manager and more investment i had them as certs for top 4. I think city liverpool chelsea and united were my pre season top 4. For spurs to break into that would be a good season for them and they would be over achieving. Same for newcastle and arsenal(based on pre season), any of them finishing top 4 would make it an excellent season. Just my opinion though.

Where would u put them? Do you think they should be higher than 4th?

Only in the very short term. Gerrard at Villa an example. Results picked up immediately, but unless the replacement is actually a level above the person being shifted out, you're going to revert to type fairly quickly.

Whereas I would have seen Vieira as exactly the calibre of manager Palace should be targeting this summer. I'm not sure a club like Palace can legitimately project to do better than him in their search. Sometimes you do get lucky, and strike gold, but that doesn't happen often.

You said 4th was overacheiving. I'm saying it is what they should be expecting.

"the fact their fourth is overachieving for me"

I think you're off there naming the club that you have when comparing the spend. Spurs actually have the 4th highest gross spend over the last 3 seasons.

And that is not even including the creative accounting that they have employed with the loans of Kulu, Pedro Porro & Danjuma. Kulu & Porro are obligations to buy with a further €45m + €35m outlay to be factored in.

When those obligations are factored in, Spurs have the 3rd highest gross spend. If Danjuma is made permanent, they have the 2nd highest gross spend.

Of course, the Man City numbers should be taken with a pinch of salt too.

As others have mentioned, Spurs already had a strong base to work with. They had Kane & Son and had the majority of a squad that was qualifying for the Champions League consistently.

If you want to go back to the summer after they were in the CL final, it still shows that they are consistently spending the big money and have vastly outspent some other clubs.

well one of us is right!

And I think he is getting fired for more than just league position - I don't think league position is really the issue.

Performance, play style, CL limp exit and the fact he has made it clear nearly all season that he doesn't want to be there, doesn't rate anyone and just seems to hate everyone around him are the bigger issues imo. He has had times where he has bigged the players up, and the project, but he has clearly been in PLEASE JUST SACK ME mode of late, like Jose was at Man United.

Nice thinking with the Potter one, but with all respect to Palace, I think Potter would command a higher club than Palace if he were to move on. Maybe a Leicester, Everton type club - 'sleeping giant' if you want. Underperforming in various different ways. Spurs perhaps, or West Ham if they stay up and both also have the London aspect.

On Palace, maybe they expected Vieira do have them cemented in 10th and higher perhaps. There was a decent outlay when he came in, albeit needed as they released a lot of players. There are some very good players there in Olise, Eze & Guelhi. Edouard is good for that level too. A nice base to work with.

There's a good docu-series on Channel 4 about the Palace academy that is worth checking out too. They are a good club, and along with Brighton & Brentford, seem to be doing a lot of good local work with fans too to have a real community spirit around the football and get more young people involved. I know a lot of Liverpool fans that always credit Palace fans whenever Liverpool play away at Selhurst Park.

Depends on how loyal Potter is to Brighton. He was only there for a few years but it was a very influential part of his career.

Saw Liverpool play there in one of the cups and was pretty impressed with the Liverpool fans for what was an early round cup game. They were much more lively than the other few away fans I've seen.

I suppose because they are a smaller club you don't get the same animosity in Selhurst. It's noisy but rarely vicious.

maybe we just got old lol but last time i watched it i could last more than five minutes, absolute dire