Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

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“You can argue semantics all you want. In this case, why isn't Burke in jail for failing to abide by the court order or pay the fine?”

…. because he was late for court! It was adjourned.

So the widely-reported untruths in the media are not your problem but when someone here uses it to make a point that you can't quite catch, passive-aggressive time. Got it.

I don't have an ignore list and will respond to whomever and whatever I want. Cheers.

Honest question. Did Enoch Burke abuse the Principal? He disagreed with her but did he actually abuse her? I haven't heard that he used abusive language.

Following someone around screaming at them is abusive. It doesn't particularly matter what the words are.

It's already been discussed here that the newspaper reports aren't always accurate. Argued only a few posts ago.

A statement was made the statement that Burke abused the Principal. The purpose of my question is to verify if Burke actually abused the Principal. Would shouting "I will never call a boy a girl" repeatedly constitute abuse or would it just be an annoying protest? I've read nowhere that Burke made threats or used abusive language towards the Principal. They're the things that I could think would constitute abuse.

By the way, I think Burke was wrong but people are throwing around statements as if they are fact when they might not be fact.

That's subjective. Was it screaming or shouting. Shouting something isn't necessarily abusive. Some reports say he was speaking loudly. So, was he screaming, shouting or speaking loudly. Very subjective.

For instance, when the gobsh1tes were shouting 'Where is John Rogers' outside the board meeting in the hotel, I wouldn't consider that abusive. Annoying as fcuk, but not abusive. Did Enoch do something similar at the function? I would think that the words Burke used matter.

I vaguely remember something about an outburst in a staff meeting too? Maybe someone can correct me on that one?

What does any of that have to do with Enochs Burke situation? Enoch Burke is in his current situation because of his refusal to obey court orders and his refusal to follow the appropriate dispute resolution procedures with his employer more generally.

As someone else said earlier on the thread he could have been suspended for spilling milk and it would make dam all difference to his current situation due to the actions Enoch Burke has taken after this suspension.

Some day out there today. Anyone know if he turned up?

It's not that simple. I'm not trying to be a d1ck here but what you've described above is how many protests go.

Was he shouting or talking loudly? Was he insulting or not? Did the person who intervened overreact or did they just get fed up listening to him? How far away was Burke when the person decided to intervene? They may not have been in any physical danger. These are all valid questions that I don't know the answer to but neither do any other people here unless they witnessed the incident. And the answers to those questions may well be yes, he did abuse the Principal and yes, we thought he was going to choke her etc. but there's not much solid evidence to go on really. People can say 'well, the newspaper said this, that or the other' but as can be seen, the newspapers get stuff wrong plenty of times.

I'd love to get a look at the disciplinary report that says what Burke is accused of doing. Won't happen though unless Burke releases it, which is unlikely.

Agreed.

But whoever rules on it has to do so subjectively. I could say something very harmless to you and you could take it to heart and feel like I was abusing you. 100 other people might think it was something very minor and not worth mention if I said it to them. Does that mean I should be sacked from my job for abusing you, even though nearly everyone wouldn't consider it abuse? I doubt it.

Look, I'm not saying Burke didn't abuse the Principal. I'm just saying that, given the various descriptions of his actions, it isn't clear that Burke's actions could 100% be considered abuse by a rational person. Perhaps there's a lot more evidence that we aren't aware of, such as language etc. and hopefully as things progress, some or all of it might be released.

If there is some sort of formal event going on with parents and students present then somebody making irrelevant speeches in the middle of it, making his voice heard with strong opinions and generally being a nuisance is unprofessional no matter how you look at it. You can't have a 'one size fits all' rule for appropriate behaviour.

What is professional behaviour in one situation does not necessarily apply to other situations. Whether or not he was shouting or being abusive is irrelevant, he was behaving inappropriately to an extent that crossed the professional behaviour line, and was dealt with on that basis.

His subsequent reaction to sanctions at every stage of the proceedings has got him further and further into trouble. He could have dealt with it differently but chose not to.